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Houthis are the only international actor acting in open military opposition to the genocide in Gaza. They are doing their best to enforce a shipping blockade pending a cessation of Israeli war crimes. The US obviously wants the genocide to continue, as well as all shipping trade through the area.
Kids were killed but the chat leak was funny and that’s what has been the people talk about instead.
Imagine being the poor family, who is stuck living in Yemen because they cannot afford to relocate, whose kid has died by Trump’s bombing. Then all you see in the news about how they joked with emojis in chat killing your kid. “Oh your kid was killed in that emoji airstrike.” Tell me why the fuck you would grow up anything but radicalized.
They leveled a building to hit 1 target
They’re brown and poor and our country is deep in the arms trade.
My dude this war in Yemen has been going on for like 10 years. If the idea of bombing Yemen sounds out of left field to you, then you are woefully uninformed.
Sounds par for the course in the USA.
People are literally surprised when somebody reads out actual policy which was signed into law and who voted for it.
Because they “didn’t vote for that”. They voted for lesser evil, which includes bombing Yemen for a decade. The spoiler effect is obvious to fellow voters, but incomprehensively arcane to lawyers.
God I fucking wish we voted for the lesser evil.
For the record, in 2014 Yemen began a civil war and the Obama administration backed the GCC intervention into Yemen, fighting against the Houthi revolutionaries, in 2015 alongside the UN Security Council issuing an Arms Embargo on the Houthis. The US support was logistical and intelligence. This has unfortunately continued to this day, although the previous Biden Administration did publicly announce a withdrawal of that support, but continues sale of armaments to Saudi Arabia who leads the GCC due to condemnation of their strikes on civilians. (The Houthis also strike civilians, mind you).
TBH I think maybe a more forceful approach, a direct intervention to establish a governance complete with minimal casualties and to provide welfare, to the situation at the end of Obama’s term or the start of the Trump term might have been better than just pussyfooting around and letting Saudi’s commit the warcrimes instead. Either that or doing nothing at all and allowing them to kill each other all on their lonesome so as to keep our own hands clean.
Another thing I’m not taking into account with this retelling is the whole proxy-war angle wherein Houthis and Saudis gaining support from various outside influences impacts their own allegiances in economic policy and that by not participating it would leave a gap for another world power to establish a different governance in the region that explicitly supports said world power. The whole region is an important economic position for oil and gas as well as shipping between Europe and Asia.
Specifically the war stats when The Houthi Militia pulls out of a coalition government and attacks the capital.
The Houthi Militia are not the innocents in this war. They started it.
Also, the Houthis are being armed by Iran who is financially supported by China in exchange for oil, and I hate China so that’s another negative in my book.
They are bombing Yemen, because the houthis are attacking our boats. Transportation ships. Never fuck with US international commerce.
False. The Houhis are attacking Israeli boats.
They are attacking whatever they can, including ships of their allies. Last time I checked the wiki page with the listed targets I did not even see a ship from Israel.
This was before the ceasefire in Gaza. After the ceasefire they announced another blockade starting with only Israeli ships.
So far I do not think they have even attacked a ship yet. Except American aircraft carriers which bombed Yemen first.
Source? There’s a lot of boats that pass through every day. Like hundreds. I’m sure you guys are all experts on cargo shipping but let’s be honest and share your data
What civilian boats have the Houthis attacked since they reinstated the blockade?
I’ve heard it called Operation Amazon Prime, which is pretty hilarious. But only like 10% of global trade even goes by this area, even less of you’re just considered direct US trade. Combine that with the context from that Signal chat and it’s clear they bombed Yemen just because Trump wants to.
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Because it is controlled by the Houthis, Islamist terrorists threatening global trade, overthrowing a quasi-friendly government and REINSTITUTING SLAVERY.
They overthrew Gaddafi when he was the only thing preventing slavery from returning, and the allies of the West now have open slave markets in Libya.
Non sequitur.
The point: they do not give a fuck about slavery. They are in support of it.
I did not say anything about who care about what. My point what that all these professed leftists siding with slavers is bullshit.
The houthis aren’t exactly the best representatives of the movement but still, this issue would be better solved by stopping arms shipments to israel and pushing them to a ceasefire towards a permanent peace. The houthis have shown that they will stop there attacks when the bombs stop dropping on gaza with this last ceasefire.
These strikes don’t do shit besides hardening the antagonism against the west in Yemen. Ask Saudi Arabia, you can’t take out the houthis with bombs. This is just a way for trump to flex his arms and act like a tough guy.
I do not trust murderous terrorist slavers to keep their word. And even if I did, the mere fact that there are attacking our people is more than justification enough to blow them to Hell.
That doesn’t solve the issue, you blow up one terrorist and five civilians then the brothers/fathers of those five civilians become terrorists. The only thing blowing them up does, besides making the leaders and the people of the u.s. feel tough, is enrich the weapons industry.
We bombed Afghanistan for more then a decade and the taliban still control Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia bombed the houthis for years and they now control Yemen, Israel has leveled gaza and hamas is still in control.
YOU CANT BOMB AWAY TERRORISTS.
So you propose we just let ourselves be attacked?
No, I’m proposing that we push our client state Israel to stop bombing gaza so the attacks will stop. That’s the only way to stop them from attacking us, because again, bombing them won’t stop them, it’ll just fuel further conflict.
Also we arent being attacked, no one in u.s. territory has been harmed, ships in a war zone are being attacked. Are you proposing that we blow the hell out of anyone that killed an american in a war zone? Because Israel has killed American citizens in its war on gaza, so has hamas, should we just carpet bomb the whole area to show we mean business?
First of all, that comparison is bullshit and you know it. The Houthis are purposefully attacking American citizens abroad.
Second of all, I disagree that destroying their capabilities to attack would accomplish nothing and I have no sympathy for genocidal, rape happy slaver terrorists, so you aren’t tugging on my heartstrings by talking about carpet bombings.
Thirdly, as I mentioned, they’re genocidal slaver terrorists. So I do not trust them.
Fourth, this is why any politician supported by Lemmy is obviously going to fail. You have no conception of what normal people think is acceptable. For example: the average American does not hear about Americans being attacked abroad by terrorists who commit rape en mass, support genocide and have reintroduced slavery and think, “We should give these people what they want.”
Explain to me how Israel blowing up a food aid convoy is different then the houthis attacking merchant ships.
oh but that was an accident, they didn’t know the truck with there logo that reported there location to the idf was an aid truck. That’s not there stated policy to blow up aid trucks.
Israel has implemented a full blockade of Gaza since the ceasefire ended. So if an American tried to drive an aid truck across the Gaza border, Israel would blow it up. That’s currently just a threat, and they haven’t done that, but the houthis haven’t attacked a ship since the ceasefire, they only threatened to which is what prompted this strike.
Are all Yemeni rape happy slavery terrorists? Because these bombings are pretty indiscriminate, a majority of the people are civilians. This latest strike was on an apartment building, not some secret houthi military base. They killed a couple terrorist leaders that will be easily replaced, while killing substantially more civilians.
the average American does not hear about Americans being attacked abroad by terrorists who commit rape en mass, support genocide and have reintroduced slavery and think “we should give these people what they want”
All of those descriptors except for the slavery one apply to israel and half of Americans give them unequivocal support.
This isn’t just giving them what they want, the large majority of the world wants a ceasefire in gaza, look at the UN votes. If everyone in the world supports reducing pollution you don’t turn that around and say north Korea and the taliban want to reduce pollution, and we can’t let them get anything they want so we should pollute more. That’s the height of reactionary, oppositional politics that destroys any progress and solidarity.
Ah yes, the moderate “kill them all” approach
They attacked us. My heart does not bleed.
Hopefully it does soon.
A tankie resorting to violence in immediate reaction to a political disagreement?
Must be a day ending in “Y.”
Houthis did not reinstate slavery. The “legitimate” Yemeni government that the Houthis are rebelling against reinstituted slavery
Incorrect. While the ousted government often overlooked slavery due to corruption, the Houthis have expanded as part of their interpretation of the Quran, one shared by other nutbags like Boko Haram and Daesh.
https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/yemen/
I’m sure the pro-genocide us state department wouldn’t lie
Whereas the pro-genocide Houthis are totally beyond reproach.
Why do you assume that the US gov is more trustworthy than the Houthis? After all the horrible shit the US gov has done what will it take for you to stop believing it when it tells you that it’s the good guy and the people it’s fighting are the bad guys.
First of all, the State Department document is just one of a variety of reports detailing the Houthi reintroduction of slavery.
Second of all, the fact you can’t actually attack the contents of the report and solely argue I shouldn’t believe it because you, personally, hate America undermines your argument.
Third, rape and slavery are not pasttimes in America, as they are in Houthi controlled Yemen.
America literally has penal slavery as legal within our constitution.
It’s not because I personally hate America, the US has been helping israel commit a genocide for over a year, apparently that isn’t enough for you to question their statements but it is more than enough for me
This guy says that like “bombing Yemen” isn’t a de facto tradition for U.S. presidents. I’m pretty sure every president since Clinton has bombed Yemen at some point during their term. It’s old hat. It’s not news. It was Tuesday.
Like, sure, it’s terrible and no one will deny that, but we’ve been doing it for 20+ years. This? This clownfuckery? This was new.
Their flag literally says “Death to America” on it.
God is the Greatest
Death to America
Death to Israel
Curse be upon the Jews
Victory to Islam
For anyone who did not click the link.
opens a post with question in the title that is lamenting that news don’t give any real answers and focus just on “trump bad” story.
all top comments are just “trump bad” and “all bad government” and has to scroll deep down to find an actual answer to the question posted.
leaves understanding much better why news don’t focus on context and give just emotional side stories.
Because the houthis are raiding merchant ships
They stopped all raiding when Israel agreed to a cease fire and they only resumed it when Israel resumed their genocide.
History books will likely see the Houthis as a heroic group that fought against genocide.
Bro do you know what the Houthis have been doing for years in Yemen? You do know that there is one of the worst wars in the world going on there, in Yemen?
This is not a heroic group in any way. They are doing the whole “fighting against Israel” thing for their image and because their followers demand it.
for their image and because their followers demand it.
This comment is not intended to place a moral judgement on the Houthis one way or another, but isn’t this the primary justification most organizations do most things? I doesn’t really seem like a bad reason…
I guess you’re right.
I was just pointing out that their reason is not because they are a “heroic group”. Ansar Allah is a violent suppressive group.
The UN report on the group says that “Children as young as 13 have been arrested for “indecent acts” for alleged homosexual orientation or “political cases” when their families do not comply with Houthi ideology or regulations. Minors share cells with adult prisoners, and according to unspecified reports that the Panel has deemed “credible”, boys held in Al-Shahid Al-Ahmar police station in Sana’a are systematically raped.” Source pdf Aside from the Panel of Experts, London-based Arabic newspaper Asharq Al-Awsat alleges that Ansar Allah have revived slavery in Yemen. Source
Uncritically propegating Saudi propaganda (Saudis which actually revived the slave market by the way) to blame the people being genocided.
I hope you are simply misinformed.
I am quoting an UN report. I have no idea whether that UN report is well informed or maybe was influenced by propaganda.
The UN report calling the Saudi backed insurgency the “Yemeni government” gives away a lot.
Someone made a good video on it recently. https://youtu.be/W2I9IaMUsa0
Fighting the American backed Saudi genocide.
I was almost with you on this one. Just because they’re against the guys you don’t like doesn’t make them heroes.
Framing actual genocide as “guys you don’t like” is so funny to me.
Entirely ignoring the point.
Perhaps shockingly to you, being against genocide doesn’t make you a hero. Jeffrey Dahmer was presumably against the Holocaust. He’s not going down in history as a hero.
Was Dahmer eating people to apply pressure to stop genocide?
Because that’s the equivalent analogy.
The Houthis have been committing war crimes for years before Oct 7th. They’re not some freedom fighter group that popped up in 2023 only doing bad things to serve their greater goal of stopping Israeli genocide.
That’s my entire point, they’re not heroes just because you agree with their stance on Israel. I hope you don’t agree with their stance on torture and child murder. You are against indiscriminate bombings of civilians when Israel does it, surely you’re opposed to it when the Houthis do it.
Two organizations who disagree with each other can both be bad.
Not only is killing armed American/Israeli invaders not a war crime, it’s considered heroic by anyone with a brain. I know, shocking
“Just because they are stopping a genocide does not make them heroes”
Yes it does.
They are not stopping a genocide.
The stopped when food came into Gaza. At this point it is undeniable.
Everybody congratulate the Houthis for singlehandedly stopping Israel’s attacks.
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. We all agree that they are doing their trading vessel attacks because they are against Israeli war crimes. Sure that is undeniable, but that’s not what is at question. The Houthis do a lot of other stuff, inclusive of their own war crimes. So they’re not good guys, they’re not heroes, they’re not a single issue group that only exists to stop Israel.
They’re also not stopping the genocide.
In this genocide they are the good guys.
America does far more war crimes than the Houthis. Are you out there denouncing Bernie Sanders because he is part of America and thus not a good guy?
Who are the ships supplying? And why are they firing on them? What’s the stated reason for the blockade?
The answers to these questions demonstrate why the Signal story is so important.
Don’t think it matters who is being supplied. Merchant ships are targets of opportunity
It doesn’t matter who is being supplied? If a ship was supplying the Nazis in WW2, wouldn’t that be relevant to its being targeted?
No it doesn’t matter.
Good on them for being one of the very few groups on earth actively opposing the ongoing genocide.
Calm down. Americans only recently learned where Palestine was. The grey mush they call a brain can only handle so much.
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