• Snot Flickerman
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    Stop using youtube.

    EDIT: A lot of people real fuckin triggered by this and looking for any excuse to keep using. Fucking addicts.

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      What else has such a catalog? Going to be hard to persuade creators to host their own content with ads and subscriptions.

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            Most of them are literally Nazis. Anytime I go to youtube and finish a video all the suggested videos to watch after are obscene “anti-woke” trash.

            The youtube to right-wing pipeline is real.

            EDIT:

            Here’s after me watching an old Lightning Bolt music video. Six videos are related to Lightning Bolt, being live videos or music videos, but a solid four videos are all weird right-wing Nazi pipeline shit. One defending Trump and saying he has a plan, one lamenting the pushback against Tesla, one shitting on the new Snow White for being “woke,” and one literally with the giant title “fuck your pronouns.” Plus one old cartoon and an episode of Surrounded with one doctor vs. twenty anti-vax (I am not convinced this Surrounded show actually does anything helpful for any discourse.) I have watch history disabled so none of this comes from my watch history, this is the default that youtube gives to people.

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                  Well, that might be the cause. Kinda scary you get recommendations like that just due to no history.

                • @[email protected]
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                  Funny think about that.

                  I also had it disabled, started watching a longer(ish) video, closed the video and enabled history and somehow YouTube knew how much I already watched before history was on.

                  So my guess is that history off is only for the user, YouTube knows anyway, it just pretends not to store it

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              The top right video is a video absolutely dumpstering Tesla and calling it a worthless stock. Your recommendations will also highly depend on what video you were just watching, could it be that users who watch your video also happen to watch these other videos? Is that the platforms fault?

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              Weird.
              Mine is just Anime, vtuber, tech (the good kind) and edutainment (e.g. kurzgesagt, real engineering, ezc.).

              Maybe you engage heavily in political content because I mostly avoid it like the plague.

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                I have watch history disabled

                Man how many people fail to fucking read this is literally re-enforcing my point that maybe more people need to read. This me, quoting myself, from above. Further, someone else made the same kind of comment over a half hour ago and I responded the same, noting that I had already mentioned that I have watch history disabled, so Youtube does not and cannot give me recommendations based on my watch history.

                I actually almost never watch Youtube except for the odd video game trailer or random comedy-shit-post-snippet. I don’t have any subscriptions or channels I care about. I read.

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              None of that has anything to do with the creators on Nebula or the Nebula platform itself.

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              You’re correct but the “He has a plan” one is from Money & Macro, a leftist (Marxist-friendly) economics channel. He’s trying to explain the broader strategy behind the tariffs, which (from skimming the video) seems similar to a theory Yanis Varoufakis had as well. I think it’s much simpler than that though… I think they’re just a sloppy way to appear tough on the world stage while crashing the economy so the ultrarich can pick up the pieces, but that’s just me.

              Anyway you’re correct about the rest I think. And tbh even one pipeline video in the top recommended is too many.

            • @[email protected]
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              MSN is also terrible about this shit. I turned off their new tab garbage and replaced it with Bonjourr right before the election because of all the misinformation it was showing. Crazy we just accept this shit man.

              As for YouTube, this is very easy to verify. Sign out of YouTube > CTRL+F5 > look at the top viewed videos

              You will see what garbage most of the populace sees when they go to YouTube without logging in. I believe this is the real reason they don’t care if people log in or not. They can push the narrative while seeming like they’re being good guys by allowing you to consume content “for free”.

          • @[email protected]
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            Nebula doesn’t have that kind of ‘popular’ YouTubers, it’s a creator-made platform that’s more focused on science and documentary channels. I don’t think I’ve seen anything on Nebula even remotely related to gaming.

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              There’s definitely gaming content on there, but what I’ve seen has been of the long-form analysis type.

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          Sadly I couldn’t get it to stream reliably though it’s been a few months since I unsubscribed.

        • @[email protected]
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          I refuse to support them after they kicked Second Thought off the platform for supporting Palestinians over the GDF

          • @[email protected]
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            First I’m hearing but that doesn’t surprise me; it’s probably better than most companies you could give your money to but, in any way they could, they don’t do anything truly groundbreaking such that I can justify to myself giving money rather than just keeping said money in my pocket (and, in turn, much more likely to go to mutual aid, charities, non-profits, or coöperatively-owned or union-banned businesses).

            They could have done a more traditional coöp, open-sourced their infrastructure (even if it was just the app.!), or really emphasized a particular stance or message they as a company would stand by…but they haven’t done any of those. They basically are just offering up YouTube but as a streaming service. But that doesn’t solve the myriad of issues that make a streaming service a business that (like most businesses) prey on their customers.

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          The only way to pay for subscription is with a credit card, no thank you, my culture mostly doesn’t use those and I don’t have or want one.

      • @[email protected]
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        2012 days ago

        It’s not an easy answer, but the best way I’ve found so far is to use GrayJay.

        If I find that one of the content creators I follow on YouTube happen to post their content on any other platform, I switch my subscription to that platform.

        Besides YouTube they support Nebula, Twitch, Odysee, PeerTube, Dailymotion, Bitchute, Kick, BiliBili, Rumble, Patreon, and more.

        • @[email protected]
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          Some of those, particularly Odysee and Rumble have much worse Nazis. They are the platforms of choice for British National Socialist Movement and Patriotic Alternative.

      • @[email protected]
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        312 days ago

        Not just catalog for viewing. What other platform can I use as cloud storage for video files for free? I have hundreds of hours of stuff uploaded there.

          • @[email protected]
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            They are all stored on local hdds, in fact I have two copies locally. I said it’s my cloud storage, my backup off site.

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                Except I do, because I don’t have off site storage. 3-2-1 my friend. If my house burnt down, without the cloud storage I’d lose everything. Separate local copies is good for defending against disk failure.

                • @[email protected]
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                  If your data isn’t worth a few bucks to secure maybe it isn’t worth the redundancies in the first place. Keep making excuses and hope they keep allowing you to access your data “for free” or at all.

        • @[email protected]
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          What other platform can I use as cloud storage for video files for free?

          None. YouTube included.

          • @[email protected]
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            I mean, I do use YT as cloud storage for free. And before you say the “nothing is free line,” note my other replies.

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              Nope. The admin of sh.itjust.works lets you use their storage for free. Google does not.

              There are things that are free, Youtube is not one of them.

              • @[email protected]
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                Okay, as I said in my other replies, the videos are unlisted, not monetized, and I don’t pay for it. What is not free about that?

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          What other platform can I use as cloud storage for video files for free?

          If it’s free, you are the product (ad views), not the consumer (ad sales). Suck it up and pay for hard drives.

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            I have many hard drives, and none of the videos are monetized or even publically listed. As I said, it’s my cloud storage, my offsite backup.

            • Snot Flickerman
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              And I’m saying you’re not paying for it, and that’s the problem. Everyone got way too comfortable with getting “free” shit from corporations that would trample our rights the second it became convenient for them.

              • @[email protected]
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                If I’m using YT as cloud backup storage for hundreds of hours of video that is unlisted, unmonetized, how am I helping them trample rights?

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                  Their ability to trample rights because of how much profit they make from horrible content is directly related to their ability to give you that space for free. “I’m not directly contributing” is a real weak excuse to keep using it, in my personal opinion.

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        Maybe people could read more?

        Nobody needs this endless “content” slop.

        For real people need to get a grip if they can’t survive without it. They’re addicted.

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          Horse shit.

          Reading vs TV was a tired debate in the eighties. YouTube is no different than tv. Hell, in some ways, because it isn’t all controlled by oligarchs entirely, I would argue that it’s easier to find good things on YouTube than it ever was on broadcast or cable tv.

          Also, ablist much? How about the blind and dyslexic? Are they fucked just because you don’t like that format?

          Yeah, fuck YouTube as a platform, and fuck Google/alphabet, but don’t pretend to be the arbiter of entertainment.

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            How about the blind and dyslexic

            Last I checked braille exists and so do tools for dyslexic readers. There are literally braille terminals for the blind. Hell, the first time I saw one was in the film Sneakers in 1992.

            It’s actually very easily argued that the push to touch-screen and video everything is what is actually ableist and making braille be used far less because companies are more worried about what’s cheap than what is actually useful.

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                Yeah, that’s some projection. You weren’t being disingenuous to pretend that videos are more helpful to the blind than braille? Get a grip.

                We’re talking about a company that is happily trampling over the rights of individuals right now, you don’t think the disabled won’t be next on their chopping block?

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          Maybe people could read more?

          Hell yeah I love audiobooks /s

        • @[email protected]
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          totally agree with reading more. text is easy to consume, easy to store, (somewhat) easy to verify (if sources are provided), and it keeps (if using dead trees for storage). ever since the pandemic i started reading more and must say i really like it

        • @[email protected]
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          Hmm yes I’ll just read about how cool two bullets hitting each other in slowmotion looks. Much better experience than watching it /s

    • @[email protected]
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      not just stop, rip every half decent video from there and save it somewhere else. Losing everything in youtube is library of alexandria level loss.

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      If as many people as possible self host their own peertube, even for just your own videos, it wouldn’t replace youtube completely, but it would be a giant leap in the right direction.

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        Yep that would be nice! Yunohost can make it pretty easy to install for those of us who self host. Plus this is the fediverse. Totally agree!

      • MaggiWuerze
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        The usual household has nowhere near the upload capacity to meaningfully stream videos.

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            Even most people hosting at home, which is already an incredibly small bubble, have only the default upload of something like 40Mbit which is more than plenty for internet usage and thus the only thing most providers supply, since people favour download speeds. You usually have to specifically order increased uploads speed, which not enough people do to build something that could serve as an alternative to youtube

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              Idk what to tell you man, I was just saying it would be cool if more people made a personal Peertube. Didn’t say everyone and their mother needed to make one, just that it would be nice if as many people as possible could make one. Again, I get that it can be hard, or not possible for most people, but if more people could make one, and made one, that would be cool.

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                And I agree wholeheartedly. I’m just saying, that the idea of replacing YouTube with something federated fails due to lack of upload speeds, as cool as it would be. Still, having it even just as a small scale alternative would be cool

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      Judging a captive market for not being able to break free from a monopoly is just another form of oppression, buddy.

    • Walican132
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      Any suggestions where to go? I mostly watch warhammer painting content such as tutorials for techniques I don’t know and video game content either long form retrospectives to fall asleep or guides for what I am playing. I’ve tried to get off YouTube completely but these specific niches are all that’s left for me.

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        Cant help you with this specific type of content, but you could use Invidious.io to watch YouTube Videos. Still better than nothing. No Google API, No Tracking, no Ads and pre installed SponsorBlock.

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          Thanks. I can def do that on my phone. Don’t know much about how to do it on Apple TVs or Rokus but I very seldom use them for YouTube anymore anyway.

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    So, sundar pinchai can be added to the list of CEOs that suck?

    Because a lot of the time, it’s weird that when the company does nasty shit, nobody names him as the head asshole in charge the way that other companies and ceos get handled.

    The dude has been in the driver’s seat for pretty much every major deterioration of Google/alphabet for years.

    • @[email protected]
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      He donated a million to Trump’s “inauguration” and sat in the VIP section, he was already a CEO that sucks.

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      Don’t forget current Youtube CEO Neal Mohan and former Youtube CEO Susan Wojcicki!

    • Ulrich
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      sundar pinchai can be added to the list of CEOs that suck?

      Been on that list since he became a CEO

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      it’s weird that when the company does nasty shit, nobody names him as the head asshole in charge the way that other companies and ceos get handled.

      hard to remember name (for americans, europeans, or at least me) i assume compare that to “Spez” which is very, very easy to remember and plaster around as the one evil to blame for a systems behavior

  • @[email protected]
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    It’s almost impressive how quickly the whole of the business world capitulated to Donald Trump.

    • @[email protected]
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      It’s too hard to change anything, but only if it’s progressive policies. Fascist policies can be implemented immediately.

      • @[email protected]
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        It’s too hard to change anything if one believes in laws, rules and the general idea of a fair justice. They don’t have this limitation.

      • @[email protected]
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        Well. Being a bigoted asshole is easy.

        Actually being inclusive and nice to people takes effort.

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        Was yours? Commenting online isn’t exactly fighting the good fight. Did you do anything to help shore up and defend anything.

        These companies face legal action from the government that was elected. A government elected who won power by spreading their shitty ideology everywhere.

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          I’m not talking about personal actions. I personally believe in equality and I wish I could do more about that even if there are all sorts of personal reasons that’s difficult for me.

          Corporations don’t believe anything. They’re just profit optimizing machines. They were doing rainbow capitalism when they thought it would be more profitable and now that they think the opposite is more profitable, they’ll do that. It’s as simple as that and hoping corporations would be allies in a fight for equality was always based on a misunderstanding about power.

          It’s not like corporations don’t have power that can resist government action. Look at how effectively they’ve evaded taxes and regulations. The big international ones can threaten to take their ball and leave if they don’t like a country’s policies. And that’s when they don’t just bribe politicians to change them.

          The workers at those companies are people though. Labor organizing was always going to be necessary to build up power for change. Not saying it’s easy and I can’t fault someone for worrying about losing their job, but if resistance was going to happen anywhere that’s where it would be. Not in boardrooms or alone in a booth.

          But there’s the difference. It’s one thing to have convictions but not the means or courage to act on them. It’s another thing to have power, but lack convictions beyond whatever is currently convenient. The former could overcome those obstacles given the right circumstances. The latter never will.

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      This is what’s fucking shitty about this

      Every company and every politician and every person who bends over so willingly IS THE PROBLEM

      It’s like they announce their regime and these idiots roll out the red carpets immediately ready be the first company to suck the government off

      If they all stood their ground, it would buy more time

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      They didn’t capitulate. They never fought. They just did what was the best shot at earning money and gaining ground at the time.

      Don’t ever expect moral based behavior in capitalism or geopolitics.

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      They didn’t capitulate. They were mostly faking it all along, friend. It made for good profit at the time and to get good Blackrock or Vanguard investment money. This is why despite putting rainbows in X, or FB, or YT, or LinkedIn profiles in the USA or in some Western countries, no company ever did that in any profile outside the West. It was all for show… and money. If they actually believe it they would have done so across the board. Yet they didn’t. They were just hoping most people wouldn’t notice. Many did. There was a meme RE: this floating around from years ago, too.

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    Reposting my comment another post relating to this situation

    I mean this is just them making official how they’ve been acting for 2 years minimum, as much as google and youtube want to act progressive and inclusive, people still get demonetized for talking about lgbtq or women’s issues, unless they are harassing them, in which case the video will stay up no matter how many of youtube’s rules it breaks. For example, trans NB game critic Stephanie Sterling had multiple harassment videos against them (they listed pronouns as they/them last I checked, please correct if changed) that are still up right now, several years after upload, despite those videos exclusively attacking them for being trans/non-binary, which breaks youtube’s TOS

    Companies are not your friend.

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        Wish I could say I’m surprised, but I’ve had this exact thing happen to me several times. Sometimes they’ve even had slurs in their profile image or banner too.

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        Just don’t make a video criticizing the nazi using snippets of the nazi’s videos, because that’s when you risk getting taken down for hate speech.

        Smaller channels have this happen to them on a regular basis when they criticize bigger channels like, say, Matt Walsh. In that case, it’s because YT likes the bigger channel better for giving more ad revenue, but they still know that it’s hate speech so they apply their own rule selectively… on people criticizing the hate speech. They only ban chuds after they become irrelevant, and that’s only to save face — for example, when they banned Stefan Molyneux he was hardly popular anymore, so there was no financial loss in banning him, and they could score brownie points about how progressive they are.

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    When an influential group of powerful people make hate speech a part of their standard rhetoric, is EXACTLY when you MUST block it on your platform, not a signal that it’s time to start letting it slide, you fucking pricks.

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      Pichai kissed the ring. He’s colluding with the person who tried to overturn the elections and install himself as a ruler.

      All of the billionaires that were at the inauguration are in the same boat. I’m at a point where I believe the crimes of any of them should be tried and convicted with the punishments being doled out collectively to all colluders, but that’s me.

      I’d be going for the death penalty from the prosecution side, since it seems like that is what we do now to people who cause one or more people to die, no matter how unethical the victim(s) were.

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        I wonder if Tim Cook is there too. It would make sense for him and Apple to resist this at least somehow but…

        • Noxy
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          Tim Cook is just as fucking evil as the rest of them.

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      Welcome to how the world has always worked and always will. There’s gin to help wash the black pill down.

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      It’s like Roko’s Basilisk playing out in real time, except instead of building a malignant computer out of fear it’s accelerating a fascist takeover.

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    And people judged me for watching YouTube with uBlock Origin, or via NewPipe for eons.

    Look who’s laughing now.

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      Good lord, the amount of idiots that white knighted me for using uBlock.

      “WOULD U WORK FOR FREEEEE???”

      Like fuck off no I wouldn’t. I also dont buy up every other company I see, turn it to shit and then try to force a political agenda through it, and guess who IS doing that using billions of dollars? Yep, Google.

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      Those aren’t opinions I would care about in the first place. Somebody thinks you should be watching ads? WTF?

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      youtube is too infested with ads, to make me disable ublock origin for my favorite channels. in anycase most of the channels become greedy pos overtime anyways. outside of pet one/animals/stem ones, ones that are just gossip or reaction or like mr beasts videos are no good.

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      YouTube on mobile is intolerable these days. NewPipe is the way for Android, though Google is in a constant battle to disable it.

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    “Don’t Be Evil”

    (I know this hasn’t been the Google motto in years – when it stopped was one of the biggest corporate red flags)

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    Showing how truly performative their big “ally” push was during the pandemic. All their BLM and diversity support was just as performative. Big corporations are just sycophantic monsters riding trends. Avoid them where possible.

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    I hated Google far before it was cool. I would feel vindicated if it weren’t so damn overdue. They don’t even contribute meaningfully to society. And I mean that about EVERYTHING

    Gmail is lame, their search engine sucks, chrome wastes resources, their ads platform ruined the internet, Golang fundamentally sucks, the emulation layer of android is so fucking wasteful, Material Design ruined digital creativity, etc.

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      Google search feels like it has stopped being the magic it was. Now whenever I search for something I might not find it underneath all the stuff on sale. For the first time in I don’t know how many years I’ve been finding myself using something else like Duck Duck Go.

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        The AI nonsense, the flawed ranking and the pages of sponsored links. Honestly, Google is just straight up useless.

        • @[email protected]
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          I used to use Google shopping to find certain items and compare websites. Now the entire left side that used to be a filter list is replaced. When you click a “filter” option it just adds text to the search bar. Then it will include an essay about why these are your options for something and recommend top brands, but then just list everything.

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        Yep, that’s intentional. They stopped prioritizing user experience and started prioritizing ad revenue instead a while ago

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        and yet somehow google made it worse. Not only are there more ads than ever before, but now it’s also a panopticon.

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      What’s wrong with Golang? Agrees on all other points, and perhaps this one as well

  • @[email protected]
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    That is why centralized platforms, especially powerful ones, are sitting ducks waiting to become even more corrupt. Why more people are not leaving centralized services is a crime against humanity as it is clear that supporting theme means society suffers.

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      The ‘not leaving centralized services’ thing isn’t really helped when there’s basically no other viable alternatives, like is the case with YT. PeerTube exists, sure, but it’s a content desert, sadly.

      Now, if PeerTube had more content to choose from…

      Really though, Reddit, Meta, Twitter, and Discord all have viable decentralized alternatives in the form of Lemmy, Pixelfed, Mastodon (Mastodon serving as an alternative for both Facebook and Twitter), and Matrix respectively, why can’t PeerTube serve as a truly viable decentralized alternative for YT?

      Even Linux is in its glow-up arc as a viable Windows alternative lately ffs, and I’m glad to have been on that bandwagon for years before that platform started gaining mainstream attention.

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      It’s frightening. Why do people not make an effort to leave Reddit?

      How can the same people run a dictatorship of the proletariat? Even democracy, I don’t see how society as a whole can avoid being manipulated.

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        PeerTube isn’t bad, it just has no content

        • @[email protected]
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          Yeah, and the platform is set up in a way that hinders onboarding and discoverability of what’s there (at least, compared to youtube’s approach…). These are all problems that prevent it from replacing YouTube. If you read Peertube’s official site they even say upfront that they’re not trying to be a YouTube replacement

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          It is kinda bad. Especially when it comes to finding content or getting noticed

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        It’s always a question of money. It costs money to make quality content. YouTube has content because they share ad revenue to their content providers. That expands the more popular the content is because there are more ads displayed. That revenue lets the creators expand their capabilities with better gear and stage sets. Federated networks usually depend initially on volunteers and alternative ways of earning revenue for those instances besides ads.

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          It’s even more difficult since the content has to be stored somewhere, and needs to be streamed which requires storage and processing power, with the latter needing to be able to scale so the user experience doesn’t get bogged down by new people joining.

          The entire revenue model of compensating the host and content creator does require a rethink, but it’s hard to see how that could be done without paywalling access to host, view, and/or both of the above.

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          Tbh money could be the initiative. So many content creators nowadays have platforms beside YouTube. Often even self hosted weboages. If a federated alternative would come up, they could just set up an own server and keep all the earnings.

          This would somehow need to get started though. No idea how.

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          Kind of. I think more than that YouTube has the traffic and people go where traffic is. Especially content creators. Many content creators have patreon accounts or similar to help pay the bills. And I rarely watch YouTube without an ad blocker, which I would assume is becoming more common. Can’t exactly pay creators with revenue that isn’t there.

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      It used to say gender expression and identity. If it doesn’t, that’s a deliberate decision that could cause enforcement calls like ‘well that’s not your REAL gender so this isn’t harassment’.

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        I mean… It’s already over-specified compared to others: “sex, gender or sexual orientation”. It’d be equally right to criticize religion for why don’t they write “belief, spiritualism, religion”, and to include identity, and expression.

        They should just write “sex stuff”, and everyone is happy.