There was a poll showing that Trump won voters who don’t follow politics at all by 14 points. There seems to be a substantial proportion of the population who just picks who they vote for based on how well things have been going for them for the last 4 or 8 years.
With inflation, the pendulum swung towards Trump. After 4 years of tariffs, declining dollar value and Trump being unable to run again, I think that pendulum will swing fairly hard to the left. So conventional wisdom on not picking a candidate who will scare off centrists could be out the window. In which case, you might as well nominate AOC or someone similar.
Of course, president AOC won’t be able to accomplish all the things she wants to without a supportive congress and getting that to happen is a much bigger challenge than winning the presidency.
After 4 years of tariffs, declining dollar value and Trump being unable to run again, I think that pendulum will swing fairly hard to the left.
Trump is doing everything from threatening the media for failing to parrot regime propaganda to trying to render citizens to concentration camps after only a few months in power, and you think the US will still have free and fair elections in four years?!
The US has never had free nor fair elections.
Quit trying to support fascism by minimizing the damage it’s done. This is not normal.
I’m doing the opposite. The fascist us has always excluded voters and its vote collecting and counting system is inherently insecure. Hell poll intimidation has been such a huge issue historically there are laws against it that are plainly ignored in red states.
The US, by no possible definition, does not have free nor fair elections. It has always been the worst implementation of democracy, oligarchy.
The democratic party is cooked if it runs Kamala again. There is no way Kamala is running this high in the polls.
There are a lot of moderates that are hesitant about AOC. She’s expressed ideas like getting rid of the filibuster, which would be great while “your” party is in charge, but is one of the very few checks available for a minority party to halt truly controversial legislation. The extra steps are kind of dumb, but the foundational idea that legislation should at least require a 60/40 majority most of the time enforces an idea of compromise and representation in almost every bill.
I would shudder to think what a bad president could put through if unchecked by the opposition party in an essentially 50/50 politically divided populace.
There are a lot of moderates that are hesitant about AOC
Don’t worry. They’ll sit on their asses extra hard for the next election (LOL!) and make sure that the Cthulhu/Lucifer ticket wins.
I try to keep my commentary as apolitical as possible, so what I’ll say is:
If you believe that the current ticket is the Cthulhu/Lucifer ticket, imagine what they could accomplish if every bill only required a simple majority.
Who is in the majority in this scenario?
Because, right now, I see the House/Senate in gridlock on everything except fucking over Transgender folks and Palestinians. Meanwhile, President DOGE is operating entirely unchecked while VP DHS is snatching people off the street and telling courts to pound sand.
“Oh no! An activist Congress would be worse!” seems to belie the current state of affairs.
STOP FUCKING TALKING ABOUT ELECTIONS!!! ELECTIONS ARE NOT HAPPENING! GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK FUCKING SKULLS THAT VOTING WILL NOT SAVE US.
I would like both Bernie and AOC to run for president, each with the other as their VP. Either winning would improve America.
Ideally, we get Bernie-AOC for 2028 and 2032, then AOC + ??? for 2036 and 2040. This nation is in dire need of dedicated progressive leadership, considering how far right the ship has tilted.
I like Bernie, but no fucking way should you elect someone that old AGAIN. He can create a great platform for AOC, but even he knows it’s time for the younger crowd to get a voice.
Wouldn’t it be nice to not have a president who is very likely to die from a harsh cough for once?
That is why AOC is there on the ticket. VPs exist to take over if the president kicks the bucket.
Bluntly, we need good people in office. While I definitely support reforms to force age and term limits on our politicians, that can only happen if good people are willing to change the system. The system is currently run by corrupt and fossilized politicians who won’t permit change. Getting good people into office is required for positive change.
This takes time, one where a Bernie-AOC presidency can enable. Bernie and AOC, unlike the likes of Pelosi, will allow younger and progressive people to take leadership roles throughout government. It will take at least 10 years to replace the old guard - a two term progressive presidency just isn’t enough for that sort of generational shift.
If Bernie is to be elected in 2028 he’ll be 91 by the end of his term. If he continues in 2032, he’ll be 95. That is far too fucking old to be a politician. I know his view is what USA needs and has needed for a long time, but it’s far too little too late. The window for Bernie to be president was 2016, and the american people and the democratic party fucked that up. It’s time to move on.
Instead you do exactly what they’re doing now. Bernie uses his influence with the people to give AOC a platform to make her his protege for 2028. He’s currently putting her out there as a voice of reason, and passing the torch to her.
If Bernie is to be elected in 2028 he’ll be 91 by the end of his term. If he continues in 2032, he’ll be 95. That is far too fucking old to be a politician.
It’s neat how age is no longer just a number now that biden isn’t running anymore.
It’s neat how you assume I didn’t hate how fucking old Biden was either?
That wasn’t my biggest issue with Biden though. My issue with Biden was that he was part of the systemic issue that’s been destroying the US democracy for decades. He didn’t mind corporations bribing the politicians. He didn’t mind people indepting themselves for the rest of their lives just to get an education. He didn’t mind the gab between the richest and the poorest. He didn’t mind going to war to serve the military industrial complex. Biden is what I would refer to as a corrupt asshole by european standards, who doesn’t give half a shit about the working class, only the interests of his rich masters.
So kindly stop assuming anyone who doesn’t support Trump, supports Biden or Harris. They’re part of the same corrupt system, designed specifically to supress the working class, and they fucking love it.
So kindly stop assuming anyone who doesn’t support Trump, supports Biden or Harris.
I’m not. I’m assuming anyone who makes excuses for why progressives can’t run supports either trump, biden or harris.
I’m not saying progressives can’t run. I’m saying we need progressives who aren’t dead halfway through their presidency. i am absolutely saying AOC should run.
Great, they are clearly running the campaign for JD Vance then.
See ya in 2028 with JD as president
Don’t be silly, he’ll already be president. Theres no fucking way that drippy ghoul has 3 years and 9 months left.
I wake up every morning thinking it might be the best day of my decade reading that happened, but so far no luck.
As much as I really really like AOC, I wonder if the rest of America isn’t ready to elect a woman. We’ve had two female candidates and both times we got Trump. Granted the first time was Hillary and I held my nose to vote for her (now I’d vote for a fresh dog turd before I’d vote Trump, but something about the whole Hillary thing just rubbed me the wrong way, especially with what happened to Bernie), and the second time they really screwed up at the last minute with Joe. I guess I’m just skittish at this point.
I really hope I’m wrong, because AOC is just a hair behind Bernie in my opinion and I love Bernie. I think she’d be a really intelligent take no shit leader and I am so desperate for that right now.
Both candidates ran as conservatives that attacked the left side of the Democratic party more than they did Trump’s policies. It’s not because they were women, it’s the policies they stood for.
I absolutely think that’s a large part of it.
I personally believe that a woman could make a great president. I also believe that America is much more sexist and racist than many of us would like to admit.
Somewhere, a Russian with a gulag allergy is crafting a fresh AOC-focused smear campaign for the 2028 third-party distraction effort.
They don’t need to. centrists will do it all by themselves. Like they did with Obama.
The year is 2028
AOC wins the Democratic nomination
Lemmy immediately ridicules AOC as a shitlib centrist and says that to save democracy, we must protest vote for [insert name here].
nothing shocking there.
finally 35, she can run for president, she should win. if I trust any politician to pull the States out of a nosedive, it’s sanders or AOC, and I do like that she’s half a century younger.
None of this matters until the Starlink in swing states fiasco is addressed
Only a shock to folks who still think Democrat centerists are what’s gonna win the votes
I will vote for AOC with pride. But I’m leery about running another woman right now. Neither Hillary nor Kamala could win against Trump.
That said, I can’t think of anyone I’d be happier to vote for. I dream of her being President. I don’t know if swing states will have it, but I would fight to make it so.
I’m a huge AOC supporter, but she should wait a 2 or 3 cycles (if there are any cycles anymore). I’d rather see her take Schumer’s senate seat, and serve there for a term or two first, and succeed Bernie as the Senate’s progressive leader.
Maybe because Hillary and Kamala were terrible candidates? Are you kidding me?
I will vote for AOC with pride. But I’m leery about running another woman right now.
…that we’re talking about a progressive woman.
Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. There’s no statistical difference in the chances of victory between men and women when running for political office. Lots of Republican politicians are women. I don’t see it as a big deal.
Also, lots of open racists voted for Obama. If you look at the polling and the interviews, it was much more about running conservative Democrats trying to get the votes of people who wanted to shake things up. That’s what Obama promised, that’s why Sanders would’ve won, by some measures, and it seems AOC is out there generating the same buzz.
There’s no statistical difference in the chances of victory between men and women when running for political office. Lots of Republican politicians are women. I don’t see it as a big deal.
It’s only a deal because the democratic party is willing to hold back all women just to prevent the success of one progressive woman.
Hillary and Kamala were awful candidates - they wouldn’t have won if they were men or if it were the first coming of Christ. (I’m skeptical he ever arrived at all). The DNC is the blame for their failure. Hillary was out of touch. Kamala had too many issues to list.
All that aside, they would have presidented circles around Trump.
A Democratic centrist literally polled at #1. It’s in the headline.
“We want to maintain the status quo that led to the election of Trump twice!”
Needs a little Asterisk* next to centrist and a footnote
*still way further left than any Republican
AOC is a progressive. Harris was too, prior to her role as VP.
She ran on exactly the same thing as Biden and backtracked on everything progressive she said in previous campaigns.
Cops are not progressive, they protect the interests of the state, not it’s people
She ran with Progressive planks, but she was a DA. She’s a cop. Cops aren’t progressive.
Attorneys aren’t cops. Can we stop with the right wing smear campaign?
Yea harris is far from a progressive. She kept people in jail for bullshit marijuana charges.
And as we all know…
Repeat after me kids
All Cops Are Bastards
I read it as “it’s a shock that she came in second” lol
Cory Booker talked all that time for nothing
I’ll take it over the other folks on Capitol Hill that are doing absolutely nothing. People need to make noise.
It was impressive, and not only because fuck Strom Thurmond, but I figured he’d get kind of a bump from it.
I mean, Trumps polls are going down, more people are showing up to protest, more institutions are resisting.
Every act of public resistance emboldens more people to fight back. I’ll take it.
Cory is probably aiming for Schumer’s position.
AOC + Booker?
No way a Senator would run under a Representative.
Or it can be the other way around.
That’s be an interesting ticket. I would like to see AOC primary against Schumer though.
No way Americans would elect a rapist traitor felon.
That actually sounds totally normal for Americans. We are fucking awful.
By the time a VP is being chosen, she wouldn’t be “a rep”, she’d be the Democratic nominee for president a.k.a. the most important Democratic politician in the country.
Is that shocking because she is as high as second or not higher?
TBH that sounds completely expected to me. Bernie Sanders never won the DNC primary, idk why anybody would think AOC would unless a major upset happened.
Outside of AOC or Sanders, I will write in for a chimpanzee.
geeez, I wish it was 2028 already! I hope we still have elections in 2028. I usually don’t like to be doomer, but nobody is really stopping trump’s dictatorship right now. 😬
Midterms are next year. If we can make it that far.
There are elections this year if we make it to November. The “muzzle velocity” they got going isn’t giving me hope but the protests and town halls do a little.
I would suggest Harris to look for a spot in the Supreme Court
Anyone focused on who to run in a 2028 election is delusional. There’s absolutely no reason to think the regime will allow a 2026 election, let alone 2028.
We are not even three months in and ice is already arresting citizens. Who knows what things will look like in another three months, let alone 18 months.
