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- Farmington Hills officials are fuming over a glut of unsold Cybertrucks being stored in the city.
- Tesla has been parking the EVs at a shopping center earmarked for major redevelopment.
- Officials say the electric vehicles violate zoning codes and are warning the property owner.
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Fucking tow em.
And charge them fees. Just like they’d do to any individual. The city could make some real bank.
Ah, they’re parked on private property, which means the property owner needs to have them towed. Which means the city has to notify the property owner (they have) ahead of the city doing the tow order. That it’s a derelict shopping mall means that the property owner likely doesn’t care. There’s also the complication of the city not wanting to piss off a commercial property owner.
But yeah, the end result should be towing, with daily storage fees racking up until Tesla comes and pays up. Tow lots don’t fuck around.
The only caveat is that they’re violating zoning codes. That means the city can directly act on it.
Of course, they likely have to go through the notification process before towing them, but they probably don’t have to have the property owners permission to do so. More likely they’ll warn the property owner a few times, then send them the bill for towing.
I imagine the city can tow, after following some kind of notification schedule. But the property owner isn’t going to pay the bill; not their vehicles, why would they give a fuck? Tesla is going to argue that the property owner should pay, since the violation is against the property owner. Tesla might not care, either, they’ve got nothing to do with the vehicles since nobody wants to buy them. If you just leave them in the impound lot, there’s no bill to pay. Since they’re unsold vehicles, there aren’t even titles for the city to put a lien on for the impound fee.
On the other hand, I know where a bunch of Crybertrucks (I’m leaving it) are, in case anyone has a bunch of extra spray paint they need to use up.
They’re probably hoping they get vandalized so they can collect insurance on them
MTIPGU
(Make Tesla Insurance Premiums Go Up)
Because the property owner is responsible for the things on their property, especially if they’re violating code. It’s the property owner’s responsibility to have them removed, even if they don’t own them, so if they don’t after being warned and the city hauls them off, they can get stuck with the bill for the tow.
They won’t have to pay for the storage of the trucks, though. Just the initial tow. Then they can sue whomever dumped them to try to recoup the cost.
But literally all they have to do is call a towing company who would be more than happy to remove them.
That it’s a derelict shopping mall means that the property owner likely doesn’t care.
Reasonable guess is that Tesla is paying rent to the mall owner. Is it usual to store unsold cars out in the open for long periods? I know they sit in outdoor new car lots at dealerships, but I figured maybe it usually wasn’t for very long.
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Scrap’em
Put 'em in a stew
Cy-ber-trucks
There is probably a lot of battery cells that can be salvaged.
Outside of the environment you say?..
The sides fell off?
Possibly better than the front falling off.
Plug them into the grid and use the damn storage.
Or take the batteries and do it more efficiently.
Fuck those stupid cars.
But using the land for vehicle storage is against city code.
You can park your car in the parking lot, but not that car…
And dealers do not randomly park cars in parking lots without permission otherwise they would have been towed. The lot owner is getting paid.
A lot of municipalities have different rules and definitions for “parking” and “long-term parking.” In a lot of cases long-term parking is strictly prohibited in places where parking is otherwise encouraged. You can’t just leave your vehicle in one place.
You’ve got to move it, move it.
I like to.
MOVE IT!
I’m trying to figure out why someone would care. The mall is mostly closed. Yeah, the dealership must have paid the lot owner, so I don’t see the problem.
It’d be great if the ugly things didn’t exist, but since they do, they have to go somewhere.
It’d be great if the ugly things didn’t exist, but since they do, they have to go somewhere.
Yes, recycling centers.
They’re ugly. Probably lowering real estate values.
For a dead mall under redevelopment?
And the rest of the town.
they have to go somewhere.
Recycling plant?
Often it comes down to liability and an attractive nuisance. Long term parked vehicles create cover for activities, while short term traffic has a flow of people.
Makes it harder to spot the homeless people living in their cars that might want to park there for the night.
Can’t the city claim eminent domain on them and then sell them at auction?
Sell them for pennies to the US military. They can use them as incendiary devices.
They wouldnt even make good range targets because theyre likely to spontaniously combust
Ever hear of tannerite?
Use them as target practice or give them to fire departments to train on extinguishing lithium fires.
I don’t think lithium fires can be extinguished. I thought dumping sand on them might be a solution but a commenter mentioned that the fire is self oxidizing and basically you just have to wait for it to end, while maybe cooking it with water a bit as it burns.
There he goes again - saving the government money. /S
Yeah that’s what we should do. Give Elon Musk a massive defense contract for his garbage vehicles
Elmo would remotely brick them out of spite if that happened.
That is a lengthy court process. Just call in an anonymous tip to the cops that they’re being used to smuggle drugs, and they can civil forfeiture them. Then police auction
That’s not a terrible idea. But it does put the proceeds in the hands of the cops.
I’ll take one for $1
Fuck that, pay me to get rid of that for you
I don’t know if I would. I don’t want the analytics and tracking on me.
$1.01
That’s to rich for my blood.
“I’d buy that for a dollar!”
What are you going to do with it, haul four-foot boards on flat paved roads?
God the environmental damage caused by making all these batteries, only to be used in a cyber truck and dumped in a car park.
Remember when Elon was pretending to be saving the environment, well now he isn’t.
Batteries can be recycled, reused or repurposed. It’s nowhere near as damaging as drilling for/refining/shipping/burning oil and we decided we are perfectly okay with that.
Batteries can be recycled, reused or repurposed. It’s nowhere near as damaging as drilling for/refining/shipping/burning oil
Why is the alternative to an EV SUV a combustion engine SUV? Why isn’t cycling and public transport?
I’m not saving ICEs are good and EV are bad but that maybe… both aren’t great anyway, especially when actual alternatives that make people healthier do exist.
Biking doesn’t always work well in the us because shit is spread out further.
The lithium mining process is laborious, dangerous, and releases radioactive elements into groundwater and into the air as mine tailings. Not to mention, most of Earth’s lithium reserves are in Chile, Bolivia, and Rwanda. With Western investors backing corrupt national governments, this means that exploitative labor (read: slavery) is the primary means of extraction.
It is, in comparison to other extraction methods, literally just as bad.
Actually lithium isn’t the long term plan, it’s just the plan for today. Sodium is the long term. But huge lithium deposits exists in the US and China too.
You can even filter it out of the oceans. It’s just not worth the cost right now
Agreed. The person you’re responding to is using the same logic as “wind turbines kill birds”, “EVs run on FF electricity”, etc. Anyone trying to convince you to let perfection get in the way of progress is almost certainly being disingenuous, or at best has been talked into it by someone who was.
Lithium mining is horrible for the environment too. I don’t think that’s a bit improvement over gas\oil
It happens once and is reusable forever. It’s a massive improvement.
Sure, and it’s a good interim tech until we get things like hydrogen working better.
They won’t be, though :(
They absolutely will. Those minerals are valuable.
Wait, where is this parking lot again?
Lithium is pretty stable. Those dumbtrucks will rot there for some time, then got reposessed and eventually moved to a recycling plant, and almost all of the lithium will eventually be used for something useful.
They probably won’t even actually recycle the batteries. The packs and batteries are still gonna be good. They’ll just pull the whole battery packs out and use them in other vehicles or stationary storage.
Probably. Unless it’s something very proprietary that is specifically incompatible with everything, I wouldn’t put that past the current Tesla people.
Jerryrigeverything has already demonstrated Tesla packs can be used for other vehicles. He made an electric military humvee.
They literally already are and have been for years.
I thought it was widely accepted that lithium mining is far more harmful to the environment than drilling for oil, and that the hope was that not burning oil/gas we offset the mining (to the point if u drive ur electric car x miles it’s cleaner overall than if u drive an ICE vehicle). Do you have information that states otherwise?
I thought it was widely accepted . . .
No. Not even close.
Care to offer a morsel of information? I like facts not speculation or public optics…
I’ll offer as many references as you did in your claims.
Alright here’s more effort than you could be bothered with- drilling oil out of the ground involved a drill that goes deep into the ground. Their not all that big. Have you seen a lithium mine before? Massive hole in the earth miles wide and quite deep, a hole in the earth that will be visible for centuries. A big open wound on the planet that cannot heal itself. I know this is a tough comparison because oil is more of a consumable, and lithium for batteries sure it’s technically a consumable but with a much longer life than say a 50 gal drum of oil. I’m not taking into account refining for either material, or the waste involved with disposing of batteries or emissions of cars burning gas. It’s an apples to oranges comparison and hard to say which is worse at the end of the day. What is a fact, however, is that producing an electric car is more harmful to the environment than producing an ice car. And keeping an old ice car alive is better for the environment than producing any new car. Both lithium mining and oil drilling quite frankly awful for the environment. So do you have the gusto to help me understand and produce a productive conversation or are u happy to just troll? It is an incredibly complex issue to account for the exact environmental impact of either, but an issue that intrigues me and I think an important conversation to have.
Your post is still just speculation based on personal understanding. I can claim every word of it is wrong and be just as credible.
Are you going to post an actual study comparing the manufacturing costs? You made the claim first, so you get to do the work first.
I’ve got a nonsense idea with no sources do you have sources to contradict it?
Start with sources that back-up the nonsense you just made up. Because there is just no possible way that extracting 1 EV’s worth of lithium is equivalent pollution to the expected 200-400 thousand miles of ICE driving it offsets.
Let’s maybe not shorthand Internal Combustion Engine for a little while lol
Oil spills are far worse for the environment than mining could be. Also, electric cars keep air pollution in cities down. Not saying there is zero environmental impact but mining is not nearly as bad as fossil fuels can be, and same could be said for nuclear as well.
Elon was always about making money. The marketing department was all about saving things.
The batteries could be salvaged and used for something useful.
EVs were never about saving the environment. It does so much damage making a new EV. If companies wanted to save the environment they would have invested in refurbishing and updating older used cars.
EDIT: Sad how many ignorant people are down voting this without even attempting to look up the environmental cost of making a brand new car loading with rare earth minerals. While destroying a slightly older car that’s already been built and whose environmental impact has already been dealt with and would best be put to use rather than sit in a junk yard for 50 years.
Too many corporate boot lickers believing the car companies based on nothing more than “Green” buzz words.
The most environmentally friendly thing you can do as a car owner is just keep the oldest car u have alive as long as possible. Cash for lunkers wasn’t about getting people in cleaner cars, it was about subsidizing companies so they could sell more while destroying perfectly good vehicles. This shredded the used car market and we are paying for it now. Literally. If you need to get a new car anyways, sure an ev or hybrid might be the way. But keeping a stinky old diesel running, while it may seem counterintuitive, is the cleaner thing to do. What we wmit driving pails in comparison to the production pollution associated with all these throw away cars.
The most environmentally friendly thing you can do as a car owner is stop being one. Ride a bike. Take Mass Transit. Walk.
That’s a great idea unless you are rural. City folks can do these things far easier than people that the nearest store is 10 miles away.
Fuck off, shill.
Well if they’re just abandoning them, then the city should seize them and start selling them for parts. I know most of it is garbage but surely parts of it can go to something more useful.
The article didn’t do their research but certainly implies it’s the landlord making a quick buck on storage fees why waiting for redevelopment to start
There’s this weird parking ramp by old work. I took a drive through it once to see if they happened to have a L2 charger in it and it appeared to be all rental cars from one of the really budget rental companies.
Budget?
Lol. It was actually Advantage.
Yeah those batteries are valuable
Some of those trucks ended up stored at a run-down mall in Farmington Hills outside of Detroit in Michigan. Unsurprisingly, local officials are not happy about it.
Lol, he’s not even trying to hide them anymore. I would like to see pics of these trucks *from afar at the rundown mall. It sounds very dystopian to see, Mad Max like.
Edit: The pics they show don’t show the mall in the background and how empty it looks.
Bringing the property value down.
Hmmm.
So EVs are pretty simple machines. I think we can all agree on that. Like I am not a mechanic and I can work on these things (well maybe not the tires).
But the problem isn’t just that a single component in these things sucks, it’s the whole design. That being said, the motors, controllers, axles, sensors, etc, can’t all be entirely custom. I would be willing to bet there is a fair amount of useful shit we could “borrow” from unsupervised and unwanted cyber trucks to rebuild them into something much much better.
Like Mechagodzilla?
or Voltron?
Giant Death Bot?
Can we use the plans from the failed MechaStreisand and create a MechaO’Donnell to take on Trumpzilla
More like Mechashiva
So some people can get free Power walls?
I read that as POWER WHEELS and now I want a Tesla scrap powered adult sized ride-on toy.
That’s just the BMS and battery really. There’s a whole lot more there.
I have a friend that uses salvaged Model Y components to electrify RAM Promaster vans.
See!!! I knew it was a thing, this is brilliant!
I mean can you take the engine and battery to install on another chasis?
I wonder if a youtube enthusiast mad maxian mechanic got a few free cybertrucks to play with.
I bet he’d strip all the parts and make a few other retrofit EVs. I’d watch it.
No engine, they use motors. Generally 2 or 3 depending on trim level.
Gotcha. Clearly I know more than the average plebian about horseless carriages
It is somewhat pedantic on my part TBH.
Mildly but still a valid correction.
I’m used to far worse comments back in my reddit days.
But using the land for
vehicledumpster storage is against city code. 😂Tesla’s Cybertruck is a big silver sales flop and that’s given the company several problems, including working out what to do with all the electric pickups it can’t sell.
Yes. That’s how you start a swastidumpster article.
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And send Tesla the bill for recycling cost
And do what with them? Seems like an unnecessary hassle.
Scrap them, and also fine the fuck out of Tesla for it.
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I think you’re trying to lead them on too much.
Obviously, you want to see chaos, explosions, fire, and mayhem. Of course you do, so do I, and if its in the process of destroying a fascist foreign interloper who somehow gets a pass for being an illegal immigrant from this joke of an administration, then all the better.
Bury the lede a bit. Let them think they came to that conclusion.
People don’t like being overtly manipulated. Covertly is a different matter.
Nah thry catch fire if soray em with water.
few cans of gasoline and some matches could go a long way to help solving this problem
definitely would rather see people
stealingrecycling the batteriesBy setting them in fire, cyber trucks are recycled. They return to the Earth from whence they came!
I was thinking pragmatically about the availability of Lithium as a resource and not so much about the idea of Cybertrucks just ceasing to exist
That’s what they’re hoping for. If they all caught fire Tesla could put in an insurance claim and get their money back.
Large companies don’t always insure like that. They may self insure.
Tesla owners usually have to get insurance through Tesla because most insurance companies refuse to underwrite those death traps.
I’d rather we didn’t pollute things further… a wrecking ball would do fine.
Or fly a drone overhead and drop paint or Liquid Ass.
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Tow them and fine them. Simple as that.
Towing them without putting them in tow mode will total them.
Sounds like the vehicle owners’ problem. “Unauthorized vehicles will be towed at the owners expense.”
Tow trucks have never cared about wrecking their cargo before. Why should they care for Cybertrucks?
These ugly things need to be in “tow mode”?
I was going to say what a stupid idea, but that’s just the tip of the stupid ice berg.
Any vehicle with AWD has special towing considerations.
Ah thank you! today I learned. Also learned that I’m part of the inferior fwd race.
Oh well.
Even better.
Give them to homeless people as shelter and give them a charging spot.
Why would they want a “shelter” that leaks and randomly catches on fire?
That’s how you sell the plan to republican lawmakers.
Did he park them in a lot away from cameras, hoping there would be some “demonstrations” that would then allow him to claim insurance money? Does the policy cover “domestic terrorism”?
