It seems Linus’s position is very clear now
Linux Foundation has financial backers. He’s gotta give them lip service to keep them excited and happy. Anthropic is now a Gold Member. Oracle, Microsoft, Google, Meta, Amazon are all Platinum Members.
FOSS has always been subject to corporate meddling in their governance. There’s a reason we call it Linux and not GNU-Linux. GNU gets no money so GNU goes nowhere.
Linus gives a headline using agents, Linux gets millions to continue doing real work. That’s the game they are playing, for better or worse.
Nobody can prove this is the case. Linus sees coding LLMs as an inevitable evolution and compares them to what compilers were for Assembly.
I don’t personally think this particular use of LLMs is unethical, but using open models would definitely improve the look.
Corporate affecting the direction of Linux, directly or indirectly is simply a fact.
Go read the bios of the Linux Foundation Execs and Board of Directors. Ai is often the first thing they mention. Take the CEO or the Chair. BOD includes Microsoft, Oracle and lots of direct Ai stakeholders.
$$$ says Linux kernal serves Ai now. Thats the politics of FOSS non-profits.
Linus regularly posted on Google+, it’s more like he himself isn’t that into foss and sees everything as a utility to use
Linus has been critical of Gplv3. I dont think he would use Gplv2 again if he could start over.
I wouldn’t even disagree with considering it. Look at how corporately independent the BSDs are… and they are just as capable in most fields as Linux.
I’m unsure which license is the best path anymore. That said the outcome would likely be the same eitherway.
The man has clearly gone senile, going from the human label of person to gear.
Trying to use the plagiarism machine that also causes DOT lobotomied as a convenient side effect will not land you in the good graces of anyone with a functioning brain.
I see you’re the arbiter of who has a functioning brain now.
Fuuuuuck.
In theory I could drive over to his house and knock on his door and ask him to stop using clankers, but I’m sure I would be trespassed immediately.
Maybe ask him for a cup of tea and hear him out?
No. This heretical abuse of human labor and planetary resources has absolutely no place in society, where it creates lumpy and awkward abominations attempting to replace intent and care.
Fuck AI.
Hear hear.
Sweet lord I hate these things. They get rid of all the best parts of being human and leave only the shitty parts.
The correct and moral thing to do would be the absolute eradication of the technology and enacting a global non-proliferation treaty. Unfortunately I’m not likely to see that in my lifetime so I’m likely forced to live with the slow collapse of humanity into comfort and leisure.
human labor is purchasable and its outputs are usable for whatever the purcaser wants to use them for. this is the purpose of employment, employees need not know what their output is used for.
I would like to not have my fine art photography taken for free and ground into slop.
I also live right outside Portland. This triplea the performance. He correctly documents its use. I see AI being used properly here. People complaining on Lemmy about it still use every piece of technology that make AI possible. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.
I can assure you, I haven’t used liquified distilled human text in the same way that AI does. I never will.
The entire concept is terrible.
Goddamn slop apologists coming out of the woodwork all the time. :/
AI is a hideous abomination tainting everything with its existence or our lord and savior that will soon™ solve all of humanity’s problems. There is no middle-ground anymore.
And the notion that a tool can be useful for one thing if properly handled, not so useful if used carelessly, and absolutely stupid when used for a purpose it cannot actually fullfil is somehow (magic? collective brain-dead?) deemed crazy now.
PS: The only thing more insane than the discussion itself are the arguments about AI-use being unethical as it is trained on stolen data usually made by the very same copyleft guys that claim that no copyright should exist, all data should be free, and copying something is no theft!
I personally -do- think copyright shouldn’t exist. But it does (for Marvel or whatever), but not for GPL licensed projects once it is encoded in a matrix, and that’s pretty messed up. “Loki is a copyrighted Marvel character, I can’t create a new, full-length story using him as the main character.”, Yet if I ask it to write a text editor based on GNU Emacs it has very little problem doing so (edit: and technically failing, but still).
Great can they make a fucking rgb sliding color changer for Wayland? Fucking sucks not being able to see dark scenes and yeah I tried all the other color profiles.
If we’re gonna be screaming switch to Linux how about we mimic the Intel color manager?
Different group. You should submit a feature request to the Wayland devs!
Wayland isn’t a piece of software, it’s a protocol. So I don’t know where the feature request should go (depends on the desktop environment), but not to Wayland.
I have a feeling they aren’t gonna listen.
Mint didn’t have a color manager, neither did Debian. They only have color profiles that you can not edit. x11 you can do that terminal trick if you know what you’re doing but it’s crazy that Wayland style can’t handle it or I’m an idiot.
Cue the Stallman rant about Linux being strictly a kernel
Hopefully LLMs may help fix some random small bugs or rewrite legacy code.
Love this, opus 5.5 is absolutely nuts at optimization. I was able to use it to get some 10x performance improvements recently.
How much has he dumbed down his capabilities already? When will he replace himself by an LLM?
He was already pretty dumbed down back when he used to shit on C++. From there to the neutering he went on (we don’t get middle fingers for Nvidia anymore) and now this… it’s sad to watch.
Die a hero or else, as the saying goes.
AI ethics aside (but not discounted overall), if there’s one person I trust above all others to use an LLM to assist in coding properly, it’s Linus Torvalds.
use an LLM to assist in coding properly
This is categorically impossible for any ways in which the LLM could reasonably “assist”.
Putting aside any potentially elitist definitions of the word “properly” and simply taking it to mean “code that functions and isn’t malware”, you’re stuck with the same modus operandi you get copy-pasting snippets from stack overflow and hand editing them to fit your codebase.
To wit: you still need to go over every single bit of code to determine whether or not it’s safe to include in your existing codebase, and unlike stack overflow, output from an LLM isn’t being simultaneously examined by other experts for flaws at the same time you’re looking at it.
We need to stop treating LLM’s like they’re in any way a “robot programmer”.
They are database reorganization engines
(data lake of indexed, ingested material)
with a static output style
(resemble human speech patterns)
that is specifically, deliberately written to deceive about its own capability and purpose.
(speak with confidence, which is a thing that a script or a program cannot have, as though it is performing a specific requested task and not just vomiting up the contents of its proverbial shelves because someone handed it an hand crafted index card that menrions a few things from the card catalog it uses)
There should be no place for that in programming.
why are they booing you, you’re right! it’s exactly that. LLMs are great for bulshitting confidently.
It may be that LLMs are database reorganization engines, but they are becoming pretty fucking good at it lately. I don’t have experience with them writing C, but for higher level-languages the output has just become very good.
“With great power comes great responsibility.”
Lemmy is gonna lose its mind. Lmao!
I can’t wait for a base linux install to be 60 GB of slop, like windows.
Year of the BSD desktop!
As long as Linus Torvalds lives, which I hope will be forever, the Linux kernel will never be AI slop.
Whether any particular distro is slop, that’s another story.
I actually do think that someone who already has multiple decades of experience in programming without using AI is probably not producing shoddier code after incorporating it into their workflow. Important modern software projects, whose backbones are programmers fitting that description, aren’t going to be worse in the present because of Claude usage. I remain strongly against it though, because normalizing its usage guarantees the future won’t have programmers that fit that description running the shows.
I think this can be framed as a statement about generative AI in general: If you think AI has been making everything shittier today, just wait until you see what it’s been doing to everything tomorrow.
I actually do think that someone who already has multiple decades of experience in programming without using AI is probably not producing shoddier code after incorporating it into their workflow
While it’s not impossible that someone like that exists, the number of times I’ve seen someone push LLM generated code that LOOKS okay on a first glance to experienced eyes but turns out to result in things like the code as a whole suddenly ignoring all permission groups and just letting everyone through in one particular area, or allowing directory traversal, or injection, or any number of otherwise rookie mistakes is high enough that everyone, especially programmers with decades of experience should be extremely concerned.
… then you win
Any chance Claude code could come up with a solution that would fall under the copyright of a third party?
Any chance? Yes.
Linus is - always were - a sellout. Never ask what the Finns were doing during the WWII.
I love how you refer to people who give you things.
I haven’t seen your kernel and OS yet, so let me know when it’s ready.
The community gave things, Linus is just a small part of this. Westerners, smh.
.ca
Learn solidarity and communality, drop your liberalism, and talk again.
Yo you still operate even after yandex blew up? You must be chinese based
momentLet me see, would you do what the Finns were doing if given the chance? Good to know. The russo sino phobia is to be expected.
Lick my balls with a passion bot
Go away Nazi
Calling everyone you don’t like nazis?
Calling a Nazi what he is. Learn to identify naziofascism before it bites you back. Unless you’re a serpent’s egg too.
Maybe he just
diffs it to the latest commit and actually only manually reads through what Claude changed? No idea…Sure, buddy. That’s what everyone is doing.
