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I understand that people are being told different stories, the created issue is that those stories aren’t questioned with even the slightest scrutiny. for this situation, the only evidence that the officer was going to be hit by the vehicle is from a video that’s 500 feet away with 15 pixels for the car and officer.
no one wants to find clarity if it already fits their narrative
There are two other videos, one fairly close and on the left side of the vehicle showing she tried to avoid hitting the officer while fleeing from masked gestapo wannabes threatening her life.
The video from like 10 feet away shows the “officer” isn’t even in front of the car 🤷
I think you hit on an important point. People, especially conservatives imo, are super willing to not question something if they want to believe it. The confirmation bias is so strong it trumps morality most of the time. I think confirmation bias has gotten worse specifically because of the Internet. Algorithms feeding you constant validation has led to self righteousness levels that are off the chart.
Having said all this, I am baffled that anyone can see something like this and not even question it. I think it is remotely possible the cop feared he could be hit for a brief moment, but that doesn’t justify murdering a person obviously. I think he fired at least a couple seconds after that moment.
But here we are. The Shitter thread I saw where the close-up video was posted was absolutely loaded with morons commenting with certainty that the murderer did the right thing. The absolute strongest position anyone should have in favor of the fascist should be “I think it was justified”. But no, they’re 100% certain after 5 seconds of viewing the post. Society is sick, and the disease is mostly conservative politics.
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I would agree, but I don’t see how Christianity itself is to blame exactly, since if they followed the teachings of Jesus in any way, they’d be overcome with empathy for a murder victim. Bastardized interpretations of religions are the excuse to be shitty, not the cause to be shitty, imo. When it is an excuse, you get to pick and choose which thing is supposedly a Christian value that excuses your behavior. In this case they’d have trouble even doing that though. It would have to be something like “well this woman is a part of the RADICAL left and all they want is for Christians and anything decent to be destroyed!”
Notice how none of that remotely reflects anything Jesus said. If Jesus were alive today, they would 100% kill him for being a RADICAL leftist
I just saw that pro-human extinction post that got deleted. Are you okay?
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Is there something wrong? If you need to talk, I’m here.
she tried to run over the cop and/or thats what he thought when he fired, anyway
Even if this was true, it’s honestly irrelevant. You’re not supposed to fire upon the driver of a running/moving vehicle period, lest the vehicle become an ‘unguided missile’ (via dead weight pressing on the accelerator) that can cause who knows how much more damage.
ICE’s own rules explicitly prohibit it, I saw someone citing them earlier.
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Here are 3 frames, one for each shot… absolutely not in the path danger. And let’s just say he was, there’s clear case law in that:
A law enforcement officer may not deliberately or recklessly place themselves in a position of danger and then justify deadly force as self-defense when that danger was foreseeable and avoidable.
-Kirby vs. Duva court ruling
They’re using the South Park, “They were coming right for us” defense. This is supposed to be a joke, not an actual defense.
https://southpark.cc.com/video-clips/9b5egn/south-park-it-s-coming-right-for-us
And the joke is how obvious of a lie it is.
They’ll use the Chewbacca Defense next.
They’ll claim self defense like Shittenhouse but few people realize rule 1 of self defense. Don’t put yourself in harm’s way.
Even if he was in harm’s way, he put himself there.
The full video shows her try to wave them past while she’s trying to pull out into the lane and then they get out of their unmarked vehicle, with guns and masks, and one immediately approaches her vehicle and reaches inside to unlock and open the door.
That’s a carjacking or a kidnapping and anyone in their right mind would try to pull away.
The only, only reason that the civil rights movement worked was because they had black panthers backing them up. Without threat of violence peaceful protests dont work.
Google “radical flank effect”
Edit: to clarify this is in support of ops comment. What they’re talking about is called the radical flank effect.
For those of us that are lazy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_flank_effect “The radical flank effect refers to the positive or negative effects that radical activists for a cause have on more moderate activists for the same cause.” "Greater differentiation between moderates and radicals in the presence of a weak government.[2][13][14]: 411 As Charles Dobson puts it: “To secure their place, the new moderates have to denounce the actions of their extremist counterparts as irresponsible, immoral, and counterproductive. The most astute will quietly encourage ‘responsible extremism’ at the same time.” "
For those of us that are lazy….
Hey, that’s me!
Holy hell
Like a drive by, but en passant
Or just use any other better search like Bing or duckduckgo. googol sucks and was never any good; quit pushing garbage.
Going to take me a lonnnng time to retrain my brain to not use “google” as a verb. I need to swap to the generic “search” or something
Edit: I didn’t realize, but am not at all surprised, that “google” is officially a verb in the Merriam Webster dictionary
Or we make Google the generic term for searching something online and they lose the trademark.
was never any good
This is a lie. Google used to be borderline psychic.
Right? Google has been shit for at least 5 years, but let’s not pretend it wasn’t the best search engine by far for years.
fr. in the early days of the web, like pre 2005, it was a revelation
In the Yahoo era, Google was merely better than its many competitors with equally stupid names. Circa 2015, when all those competitors were stone dead, you could type ‘who was that guy in that movie’ and it would correctly tell you it’s Russell Crowe.
I hope you’re this pedantic when people ask for a Kleenex or a q-tip, or when they use Velcro
They might be, depending on their region.
I only know what a q-tip is because I’ve seen americans say it online.
And while Kleenex is a brand over here, you’d get a slightly funny look if you asked for ‘a kleenex’ rather than ‘a tissue’.Velcro is definitely used here though, and so is googling, but variants of ‘look it up’ are more commonly used because it’s more generic.
It’s not “Velcro” you’re using. That’s a company. You can’t use a company to hold stuff in place. You can use Velcro-brand hook- and loop-fastener.
What else can you call a qtip?
Cotton bud, cotton swab, ear bud
Ask yourself what is a Q Tip?
I use google as a generic verb to search for something on the internet
Kinda crazy that in a space where we are concerned about a armed and masked gunman murders a woman in cold blood, as we wonder how to best cope and move forward - people will still argue about search engine choices.
This is bullshit. The Civil Rights Movement worked because people couldn’t argue in favor of the relentless violence inflicted on non-violent protesters.
This entirely modern bullshit is propaganda designed to incite violence today.
For the past two hours, you’ve been arguing against gun rights. Which is okay - you do you. Not everyone should own a gun. We all see the stats.
But you do realize the white woman who got executed didn’t incite violence?
And you do realize that at the height of police brutality during BLM violence - armed BLM protesters stood peacefully to protect the disenfranchised, protesters like yourself - the normally aggressive police behaved?
We get it. YOU don’t like guns. But when they’re shooting unarmed white women who don’t incite violence, a lot of people would prefer to keep their guns with them right now.
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I looked at it this way: the biggest outcry against ICE has been now that a white woman has been killed by them.
Blame the media for their conservative/racist leanings. I hadn’t heard much if anything about other similar cases until this happened. And I sure hadn’t seen a video of those incidents.
There’s an undeniable racial component, yeah, but there’s also the very real fact that those suffering past abuses were broadly in a different category from the majority of ordinary (white and white passing) American citizens, creating the illusion that they themselves were safe, or could choose to be safe by keeping their heads down.
As soon as the victim is in a position that you yourself could easily find yourself in (like dropping your kid off at school in a residential area), and you can imagine that you might make the same choices (like trying to leave a dangerous situation safely), your own safety is under direct threat.
A lot of people were sad, angry and outraged before, but now they’re scared.
Yeah, acknowledging the racial component is fine, but the OP frames it in a much more productive way than @[email protected].
I have personally given the speech about how your white skin won’t save you from the ICE thugs. They’re not checking documentation. There’s no judge. And if they don’t care about proof of citizenship, why do you think they’d give a fuck about the color of your skin? That’s not much of a shield.
But this one is different, and it’s not just race. “Could easily find yourself in” hits the nail on the head. It’s not just that she’s white; it’s that you can tell what she was doing. She was turning around to leave, allowed traffic to go in front of her first, and then allowed the truck to pass before she went, not knowing the unmarked truck was ICE.
She wasn’t on the front line of a protest. She wasn’t living in a barely habitable apartment complex struggling to scrape by. We should, and often do empathize with those people as well, but they’re not as relatable.
Race might be a good chunk of why it’s so easy to empathize, but it’s not the only reason. Renee Good’s crime was turning down the wrong street.
And often after fear, comes rage.
The outcry is still limited because the woman shot appears to be in a gay relationship (a lady declaring herself as her wife was on scene at the murder).
So most conservatives are still unable to empathize nor see this as ‘one of their clan’ at risk, even though it was a white person.
It’ll take a MAGA-hat-wearing white guy being shot by ICE before they start to worry about the new SS.
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For real, if this happened to me, I would hunt and kill ICE agents for the rest of my days. Which probably wouldn’t be long
I uh…I don’t think that word means what you think it means.
Most people won’t be affected until it’s an old boomer on an electric scooter
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Why would there be? Conservatives get shot by the police all the time and we just laugh at them. People say you’ll care when it’s in your neighborhood. Well they’re in the suburbs now and we still have plenty of people claiming that anyone attacked by federal agents is an agitator.
The last big white riot we had was Jan. 6 so I wouldn’t really be banking massive social position change on conservatives getting upset at other conservatives.
Like Charlie Kirk outrage?
I don’t condone any shooting or terrorist acts, but I wish there was half as much outrage for school shootings.
Are they humanly capable of emotions, which would include crying?
Difference here is, this, they can manipulate into a reason to close the polls.
When will it be enough that people actively start opening fire on ICE the second they pull out to their street? This is getting ridiculous. Not even white women are safe.
The problem is that’s when he “gets” to declare Marshall Law and take over the government and the military.
So far, judges have denied him access to military even though he keeps screaming about terrorists and buildings burning, when really there are people in frog costumes and people with whistles.
Hitler took control of German government and military the second a building caught fire. This is likely what he’s trying to make happen.
Elections happen this year that could generate some congressional power challenges against his orders with more urgency. How much hope do I have that elections even happen? Will several red states change last minute election rules and post office cancel ballot deliveries or straight up replace federal electors again? Will he make up a fake excuse to end elections or arrest opponents? Who knows. Once he steals power instead of having it with legitimacy is when gloves have to come off. In the meantime it has to stay peaceful. We dug this hole ourselves at this point.
At some point you have to say enough is enough instead of coming out with this stupid ass excuse.
"we are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.” - Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts
I don’t think people calling for restraint understand what we’re up against.
It’s pretty stunning how they talk like terrorists and abusers and people just go with it.
But I guess I know from experience that conservative culture has a lot of “shut up and deal with it” conditioning. And not like “practicing stoicism is good for you” dealing with it. It’s more like “know your place, respect your betters, and shut your mouth.”
It’s the “might makes right” approach.
Most of us get educated about why that’s bad in pre-school. Nobody likes a bully and often bullying is ended with a swift punch in the face from the victim. People like Stephen Miller just haven’t got theirs yet.
Trump can declare war without even telling congress about it. What makes you think he needs something real in order to “declare martial law”? At what point are you going to decide that NOT FIGHTING BACK is actually helping these people trample you?
As mentioned by others in this thread, the courts has repeatedly taken away his access to national guard because he is failing to show evidence of a domestic threat
*Martial Law
*Martial Law
“Marshall [Plan]” is his bullshit excuse for attacking Venezuela.
Trump is going to declare Marshall Law anyway. Fighting back will only accelerate it. Regardless, Marshall Law isn’t a real thing in the United States. Although that won’t stop the president in the high castle.
He is allowed to take over state militaries in emergency situations. I also agree that I think he’s going to make up an excuse and do it anyway at some point before elections.
A lot of what he is getting away with is stuff that Congress could block. It’s their appropriate money he’s using, but they’re all his tools right now so they don’t fight back and just let him do it.
He is allowed
As opposed to?
Courts keep denying him access
He’s gonna do that anyway come midterms, no?
Yeah probably
The problem is that’s when he “gets” to declare Marshall Law and take over the government and the military.
Practically speaking, how is that any different from now?
Do you really think this is as bad as it can get?
Of course not. I’m asking what declaring Martial Law would change.
Martial Law would mean the real military rolling into towns, and the loss of recourse in the courts for federal overreach.
Currently we just have ICE, national guard, and police assaulting us, but under martial law there will be things like tanks and drone bombs.
Martial Law would mean the real military rolling into towns, and the loss of recourse in the courts for federal overreach
You believe the only thing stopping that is Trump saying “I declare Martial Law”?
He also can’t just kidnap a foreign leader without notifying congress – except he actually just can.
The only thing stopping Trump right now is the courts. Martial law is an endrun around the courts.
Yes, he is breaking laws, but once the court actually steps up and tells him to stop, he does. We unfortunately have a long history of extrajudicial foreign action that the courts just don’t care about, but that’s not the same as deploying military to one’s own country.
I wouldn’t hold out hope for the vote saving us. https://youtube.com/shorts/Y7b4r1FIG-A
Man known for lying. Says a possible lie. More at 11
Bro fix your spelling. Your point is good and Marshall is HEAVILY undermining your content.
Hopefully soon
Here’s the video. NSFW.
https://xcancel.com/maxnesterak/status/2008961959731859757#m
Yeah… That’s entirely fucked.
Guy wearing tac gear with a police branding on him, no badge in sight and covering their face like a common thug. Shoots unarmed woman in vehicle while she was trying to exit the situation in any way possible.
The only part of this that I’m thankful for is that her death was probably quick and relatively painless. Everything else about this screams hostile takeover.
I mean, that’s not new, we’ve been seeing similar bullshit forever, brought to the spotlight previously by the BLM movement. They’re just not discriminating against only POC. Now it’s anyone who isn’t them.
I know this is just emphasizing it but I don’t know how anyone saw “white lives matter” as anything other than anti-black rhetoric.
Like, I can believe that a genuinely ignorant but well-intentioned liberal thought “all lives matter” was valid because they were more concerned with being nice than real justice, but “white lives matter” could never be anything other than racist.
I don’t know how anyone saw “white lives matter” as anything
Deliberately out of context, not to misquote you but to say that but this part of the sentence rings true for me, lol. I have never seen “white lives matter” expressed in any significant capacity. Probably saw it written or heard it said less than 10 times since BLM started as a named thing.
Honestly would like to see a white lives matter movement come out of the ladies death. That’s the second time a white woman has been shot and killed by cops that I can recall in the past little while (I assume it happens way more often but that’s two pretty high profile cases).
White supremisist kill white people who don’t tow the line and they always have. It’s nowhere near the level that black people face but it happens. In construction white people get blackballed for standing up to discrimination so i imagine that there’s economic consequences for this behavior elsewhere too. I think our entire system is set up to punish those who don’t uphold this system of oppression
To an extent, yes, but it has gotten much worse recently.
Fascism is colonialism turned inward.
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The FULL UNEDITED VIDEO is undeniable.
She starts to pull out of her parking spot, sees the oncoming pickup truck and stops, then waves at it to pass, like we’ve all done a million times. Two MASKED MEN with FIREARMS get out of the UNMARKED PICKUP TRUCK and one immediately approaches her vehicle and reaches inside to forcibly unlock and open the door, and that’s when she tries to pull away, which anyone in their right mind would do if two masked men get out of an unmarked vehicle with guns and try reaching into your vehicle.
Most sources are only showing the video starting as soon as she tries to pull away, leaving many Americans totally unaware that, for no reason, instead of passing her, they decide to get out of their vehicle and forcibly open her door to pull her out. Again. Masked, armed, and in an unmarked vehicle.
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We need more self-defense classes. For Renee.
For Good.
Even the racists know this was nothing more than another instance of murder by police. They would have murdered her if she were any other color.
Sadly as history has proven, things do change…
But a whole lotta people gotta die before it does.
Well said!
