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Fuck I thought hockey was like, the only sport other than boxing where you’re supposed to punch them.
there are still rules to fight him
Professional hockey yes, but they dont let kids fight.
I think a pro hockey player would get kicked out of a game for sucker punching a player at face off.
They can fight, but there’s a sort of “gentlemen’s agreement” that is usually consensual and happens after face off. Referees will often even give them space to duke it out.
Unless someone on the other team did something really fucked up, then all bets are off (and you take the suspension for sucker punching them lol).
In the NHL it’s fine. Actually if a penalty has already been called against you then you can do anything you want.
Absolutely not. You can definitely receive an ejection and a game misconduct which would prevent you from playing in the next game as well.
Yeah, there’s a lot of unwritten rules about where the lines are drawn on legitimate play for competitive advantage in the sport itself, to dirty play that veers into being about hurting someone rather than playing good offense/defense, socially acceptable fighting that is part of the broader game, and is penalized within the rules of the game by the refs on the ice, to socially unacceptable fighting that warrants league intervention after the game for suspensions and the like.
It can still be worth it, but we gotta place each act in the appropriate category.
I’m tired of these damn horses causing all these problems
Thrown out? Just give him a 2 min minor
tell the child to apologize to the family member or relative he stole from.
When my nephew was a little kid he got suspended from school. My sister and her husband were working, but I was still in university so I offered to go pick him up. Turns out he’d done exactly this on the playground so I took him to McDonald’s and bought him Lego on his day off.
Using your children for your made up feel good story is weird
It’s a twitter account called UnfilteredMama. They probably don’t have kids at all.
I’m on the fence. On the one side I despise a society that resorts to violence to solve problems. This is primitive. Then again it sure feels like some people don’t learn another way. Doesn’t mean it’s good.
Mhm, a story to remember for sure.
Consequences are measuring levels of controlled violence. Both human and not.
If one assumes violence is an unnecessary tool, then we would’ve resolved the issue with actual criminal syndicates both high and low by now. Alas, that’s not happening when said syndicates can and will use their own levels of controlled violence against everyone else.
It’s anecdotal, but I was bullied mercilessly when I was a big, fat sixth grader by this pack of fifth graders who would run up behind me during lunchtime in the playground, kick me, and run away. This went on for some time until one day I happened to turn around at just the right second and caught this little shit by the name of Cory Rodgerson.
I took a big, wide swing and smacked him upside the head as hard as I could. One punch. I vividly remember (probably partly falsely given the forty years that have passed) him spinning, falling over, and then bawling his eyes out. I felt horrible about it, but you know what? Him and his group of cronies never bullied me again.
He learned that actions have consequences, and I learned that violence sucks, but sometimes it does solve problems. Was there a better solution? Probably, but telling my teachers and parents had had no effect, so what else was I supposed to do about it? I also did not grow up to be violent, and in fact have never gotten into any kind of physical altercation as an adult, so maybe it was a good lesson for me, too.
Fucking Cory! Classic
Then again it sure feels like some people don’t learn another way.
That’s because they don’t. Because the lesson they need to learn isn’t “people don’t like that behavior” it’s “that behavior will have swift and severe consequences”.
To renounce the use of violence as a method of conflict resolution is to utterly surrender to those who have not and will not.
We all had history classes.
Violence is the most effective tool the working class has by a country mile so they don’t get devoured by the wealthys politics and bullshit.
Regulations for business are quite literally often written in blood.
Violence is the last thing some people even understand. Sure it should be a last resort most of the time.
On the other hand Cornell, frats, and the fact that women are sexually assaulted at disturbing rates.
I’d punch an openly misogynistic person too. We’ve spent too many decades not punching shitty people, now we have fascists popping up all over again.
It’s hockey. Punching someone in the face is how you express your feelings.
Disagree, sometimes we have go go back to the fundamental. Looks around, shitty people aren’t get punched enough.
You also just publicly admitted you don’t attend you kids games, shitty parent.
I didn’t attend every single one of my kid’s games. I attended most, but not all. Things happen.
Shitty comment
Oof, a proud shitty parent here.
Sure, because people never work hourly jobs that they can’t get days off from, and they never have multiple children who have events on the same night, and they never have younger kids they have to stay home with while the other parent go to the event.
And that’s assuming this parent wasn’t at the hockey game. It’s totally possible that she was, but she couldn’t hear why the punch happened because she was too far back and the comment was too quiet.
All these clowns in this thread supporting the kids actions when I know none of you are doing shit like this in your daily life. Put your ass on the line next time someone insults someone else if you really think this is appropriate retaliation. In fact I would say you’re either a hypocrite or a liar if you don’t throw hands next time you hear a insult.
I don’t get to hear that shit in my daily life. The moment I do, I will find out whether I am as awesome as this kid.
Violence was the wrong answer. But a swift and strong reaction to defend someone being bullied is something to praise. At a time when a large portion of society is actively trying to demote women to the position of being property instead of people with equal rights, that instinct is even more important to encourage.
So, while violence would normally be something that is met with swift punishment of its own to try to correct the child’s behavior, in this case, the balance tips a bit the other way. In this case the kid was already ejected from the gameNo, it was the correct answer
Its a bit different when its an opponent in a competitive game. They could shout any random mean thing at anyone just because they are frustrated. Taking them seriously is the wrong move. The girl in this situation already has a team, and team mates, and its none of them that are harassing her. She should be able to brush it off just as easy as any of the guys, and acting like she needs a defender isnt automatically the right move just because she’s a girl.
All this to say, clearly this is just a dumb social media mother attempting to brag about their impulsive and violent child as if it were a good thing.
Its a bit different when its an opponent in a competitive game. They could shout any random mean thing at anyone just because they are frustrated.
Things only said by people who use racial slurs in online games.
No, I don’t like to speak or act for others without permission first. I won’t assume my team mate is offended unless they say so, and won’t jump to their defense unless they ask. I consider that to be a minimum level of respect and I would expect others treat me the same way.
This user has definitely dropped N bombs in voice chat while playing a FPS.
Okay troll.
Huh? Why does supporting this kid’s actions necessarily imply one would do the same? Why are you so bitter?
Why wouldn’t you do actions you support? Either lying or hypocritical like I said.
“I’m going to climb Mount Everest.”
-“That’s a great goal! I support that.”
“Then get your fucking climbing gear, you little bitch. Or are you a lying hypocrite?”
Yeah, this is definitely a rational line of thought.
Must be american. Surely violence is the right solution to insult, right?
Have you seen a hockey game? Mostly Canadians and this is a completely reasonable thing to happen in hockey.
The white knight.
Then that hockey game wasn’t valuable. Fuck toxic enviroments as these that ban the ones who do the only correct thing to do.
Hey, violence isn’t the answer, let alone “the only correct thing to do”.
Lmao, “violence is not the answer”. It is. When other people like that fucking asshole kiddo were, then it’s the only acceptable thing to do. “Don’t do unto others what you don’t want done unto yourself”.
They need to understand that their shit has consequences, or else bigotry will never end.
Id disagree with you if we were talking about an adult but as we are talking about a kid I would say you are outting yourself as some sort of predator or abuser with that mentality. There can be consequences that are non-violent, violence just propagates more violence. Interesting that you took a popular phrase, changed it so that it has a different meaning, then tried to use it as evidence for your case. Get support, you don’t have to be so violent.
Bigotry is as old as humanity.
It will never end. I would bet that you’re bigoted against a variety of people, too. It’s all around us; most people have a “narrow-minded intolerance of beliefs opposed to them”.
Especially here on Lemmy.
None of that makes it wrong to oppose bigotry.
we had an ‘airforce’ player in our team. he usually was only on the field, if the other team played dirty. the most dirty opponent would have a painful clash with our ‘airforce’. the game usually was a bit more civilised after that.
was it the right thing to do? probably not. would we have sent the ‘airforce’ if the referee had stopped dirty plays earlier? definitely not! did it protect other players from going home with injuries? yes!
so no, violence is not the only correct thing to do. but it is a way to achieve certain goals. sometimes fire has to be fought with fire.
Hockey is weird, its sort of expected that the players use violence to keep each others behavior in check.
the concept may be more established for ice hockey. but it is present in all sports or possibly in life: we hope there is a referee to punish bad behaviour. but if there isn’t, we have to take things into our own hands.
i am not necessarily talking about violence here. if at your job someone constantly tries to sabotage you, violence may not be the best approach. but some dirty play on your side, might just discourage the behaviour enough. obviously that should only be considered, if theere is no sort of referee to stop the behaviour traditionally.
Are you trying to say enforcer? I’m plenty familiar with the concept but your word choice is confusing.
Was bro flying around?
he made sure we controlled who went flying and who not.
guess he could also have been called “Air Traffic Control”…
Why did he even get kicked out? It’s hockey. Fighting is only 5 minutes in the box.
Might be field hockey though
Youth hockey leagues are pretty strict about no fighting. Younger leagues have no checking, for obvious reasons. As you get older, it gets more physical.
Personally, I disagree with the punch. Takes you out of the game when you and the rest of your team can just mark that guy as an asshole and make his day absolutely suck. For everyone saying, but he won’t know why: he’ll know. Plus, you can simply call him a whore every time you hit him. A dirty hit when he has the puck is 2 or 4 in the sin bin, and you get to hit him again later. A single punch is just that, and it’s all over.
Its also absurd because its heavily gendered. If someone called a male teammate a fucking whore we would laugh at them, take note that they are clearly salty, and fuck with them the rest of the game. If it was the girl who punched the guy in the face it would at least make more sense.
Personally, I wouldnt cheer my own kid on for punching someone in the face and getting kicked out of the game. That type of problem solving shows a lack of creativity and compassion.
Agreed. The more I’ve thought about the more I think the comments are mostly a bunch of neck beards proud the kid “defended her honor.” As if she ever asked him to do that. What if it had been a girl on the other team calling his teammate the same thing? Girls can be brutal in their chirping. “Fucking whore” is pretty tame compared to what I’ve heard collegiate female rugby players call one another. Im all for the team ganging up on an asshole player playing like an asshole, but players in just about any team sport constantly shit talk their opponents. Somehow the other guy crossed a line by treating a girl the same as he presumably would any other player on the ice? If he singled her out, fine. Chirp back, or ignore it. And the one comment calling it bullying? Gimme a break. It wasn’t even said to her. Tell the guy to fuck off, score on him and give him a good hip check next time you can get away with it.
Lol, he didn’t get kicked out…UnfilteredMama posted it on twitter. It never happened to begin with.
For the pros, yes. But for all youth hockey (at least in the US) it’s an immediate game misconduct.
Not every league allows fighting, some leagues don’t even allow checking
I watched a fight once, and suddenly a hockey game broke out.
In highschool an opponent coach called one of my team mates the n word. I told the coach I was going to kill him. Referee decided the fouls canceled one another. Wish I had drop kicked that fucking cunt instead.
Drop kicking someone while on skates would be fucking impressive.
what does the law say about any of those offences ?
Some states have “fighting words” clauses in their statutes or case law that stipulate when someone’s held less accountable for an otherwise clear-cut Assault/Battery.
If what you say is obviously an attempt to get under someone’s skin to make them throw the first punch it essentially blames you for the fight.
Of course the devil’s in the details, but rumor has it those exceptions exist.
If it were me, I’d hope I’d have the courage to risk my job to use some Discretion in an event like that without clear statute/case law backing up a Fighting Words issue, but I never handled a case like that so we can never be sure.
- Ex-cop
Just mentioned “fighting words” in another comment. But those words weren’t directed to the attacker, so would that still count?
That question exceeds the scope of my training, experience, and rumor I heard on the job from other cops, so your web search would be as good as mine.
I’m 99% sure I was never trained on it, 100% sure I never saw it applied, and such a scenario never came up in the rumor mill.
The insulter didn’t threaten the girl, so he’s clear. The boy is guilty of battery, no defense of others here.
OTOH, “fucking whore” could be considered “fighting words”, but I have no idea how that works if directed at another person. 🤷🏼♂️
Being legal doesn’t me being right. Some crimes are worth the punishment.
That’s nice. This part of the discussion is about how the law views this event.
And fuck the guy that asked! Typical lemmy, downvoting questions.
Depends on the kids parents wealth.
Idk i was 17 and the coach was old. I’m glad it didnt go much further because it would have not ended at all well.
My kid would get a Disney trip for something like this
