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Lets wait and see how well the DSA and the Democrats in general manage to do in the midterms and with keeping their promises if they get majorities again before we start making any lofty 2028 Presidential plans.
The Republicans are already making 2028 plans, and so should the opposition. I know that Democrats are really good at doing nothing and being useless, but I personally would like to see an end to that trend, not encourage it to continue.
let’s split the sane people’s votes so trump can win again. excellent plan!
This is in the primary, no vote splitting involved
Do you make the same claim when the DNC runs center right candidates year after year despite a large portion of Democrats constantly begging for more progressive candidates?
i make the same claim any time there is an existential threat to civilization and someone runs for office and appeals to many people who’d otherwise vote for the existing candidate who is against the existential threat.
divide and conquer is a thing you know.
Yeah… Might not the onus of responsibility be upon those who continue to vote for people advocating for the existential threat over the person who is wanting to solve it?
Especially since the demand of the people willing to vote for the existential threat is to pick a candidate from the ilk of politicians who have been ignoring or collaborating with the existential threat support group this whole time?
IMO this will hand the election to the GOP again. The democrats need to stop pushing unpopular women into the oval office. They want to get their landmark “first woman president” victory and it’s blinding them from actually winning the election.
So the problem you have with AOC is that she’s a woman?
Sounds like you vote Republican anyway, so why should we give a fuck what you think?
I agree. I like AOC but she’s not gonna get the needed votes. I think realistically need a man.
You need a man to smack you upside your head for overt sexism.
Can you explain what you mean?
I’ll take it. If Kamala ends up as our candidate I will purposefully abstain. If blue can’t put up a solid inspiring candidate, they need to feel that with voter turnout.
you sound like a Russian bot. not voting is the worst thing you can do… unless you are voting for Trump’s party.
Well, I’m a person, not a bot. Sorry you don’t like my take. I don’t know how else to put my foot down, I voted lesser evil for Hillary and Kamala already. I am committed to breaking their strategy of offering status quo candidates that don’t move the needle and have almost no chance of winning.
She is 37 and the youngest president was Kennedy at 43. Median age of elected presidents is 55. I would say give her a few more years.
Yeah, let’s just stick with tradition since that’s been working out so fucking well.
I just want to see a Democrat candidate that can win.
Fuck. That.
The time for change is N O W
shes the most popular candidate out there right now. she should run. the reason she will never win though, is because corporate america won’t let her.
From today’s NYT.
Some polls didn’t include all candidates
What a ridiculous methodology. There’s literally no reason to treat the results of this poll as even remotely truthful.
Post the poll that puts AOC leading.
sure, but make sure it includes all candidates please.
Post the link to the poll
It’s perfectly acceptable to just admit that the image you shared didn’t support your argument. This childish “prove me wrong” shit just makes you look like a troll.
Ossoff is pretty freaking popular also. And people need to understand that just because someone identifies as Democrat does not mean they’ll vote for a woman.
After 12 years of octogenarians I kinda think people aren’t gonna mind someone being too young.
How does 2 years sound?
America won’t vote for a woman America isn’t ready.
They definitely won’t vote for a woman if sexist pests like you insist on only nominating men.
This is a goofy position. You’re doing the patriarchy’s job for them. You better believe people said this same shit about Obama being black, and you also better believe that a lot of racists voted for him anyway (we know this to be true). In practice this sentiment is indistinguishable from saying that you personally do not believe a woman should be president.
People don’t understand that there are men on the left that don’t want a woman president. Even though the evidence demonstrates this.
Those people aren’t on the left, they are opponents of progress. If they refuse to vote against fascism because they hate women more, they aren’t my fucking allies.
So for them to be on the left they have to embrace every view that everyone else does?
Sounds like they really aren’t on the “left” then. Also this is the same argument racist made before Obama was elected into office.
It’s not my argument. It’s an observation.
I don’t know why you think they wouldn’t be “left”.
Equality and equity are kinda foundational beliefs in leftist ideology.
evrytime a women ran for president they lost, look at hillary and kamala
By this logic Obama had zero chance of ever becoming the president. 6 different people of color ran for office before Obama won his presidency.
Hilary lost because the American electoral system is trash. Most of the voters voted for her. Kamala was simply a terrible candidate and she is not as a big cult leader as Trump
Wow, two whole data points, it must be true.
Don’t you dare make me upvote an ML user…
That was a good comeback
And yea, it doesn’t hurt for AOC to run, whether she can win or not. She makes good points and should be heard
That won’t ever change unless women continue to run. Do you want it to change?
The real issue isn’t that we don’t want/trust a women to be president, Hillary won the popular vote and plenty of people voted for Kamala despite her never being the first kid to be picked for dodgeball. The issue I see is there is a contingency of liberals who are adamant that we must only elect a woman as president now.
I volunteered during Kamala’s campaign and came across this group, it was called something like a woman president no matter what. To this day I’m not sure if they weren’t some psyop group meant to make sure she lost or if this is a genuine group that believes we need to elect a woman whatever the cost. Problem is we’ve lost 2 easy elections by running women who just didn’t have any charisma (and like it or not the presidency is a popularity contest and the more charismatic person usually wins.)
Instead of forcing it every election and losing to literal monsters we need to just wait for the right one to come along. AOC might be that very person but shes probably still too young for 2028. Identity politics sucks going both ways and history has shown we can elect minorities and women to government without playing identity politics (minorities and women started getting elected to congress decades ago before all this virulent identity politics shit began.)
The path to hell is paved with good intentions.
And to remind everyone that these stubborn types exist in the liberal camp and can fuck things up when their ego’s are allowed to go unchecked just remember Obama tried to get RBG to resign when they could’ve voted in a suitable replacement that wasn’t an antique. She declined because she wanted to be a judge when the first woman president was elected, which never happened. Instead, her stubbornness and lack of hubris cost her one of the single most important rulings she ever issued and one that directly affected millions of women.
Oops. Look, we’re all human and we all make mistakes but the wise old judge is suppose to realize this in thanks to their wisdom. The more I learn about RBG the more I realize that humility isn’t a universal trait. Both political parties and all the factions within them would be wise to learn some humility. Forcing another bad candidate and cheering “yah for women you must vote for her” could cost them another election they could probably win.
That’s a whole lot of words just to tell everyone you are full of shit.
You’re talking about “Madame President PAC”, a Political Action Committee. Covering the 2025–2026 election cycle through June 2026, the committee reported only about $522 in total receipts and roughly $422 in total spending. It reported just $100 in cash on hand. They’re completely insignificant.
If you want to make up a bunch of nonsense to pretend that feminism has taken over the Democratic party, you’ll find plenty of like-minded sexists in the Republican party. Instead, I recommend that you self-reflect on your political ignorance, and try to shake that misogynistic attitude you’ve developed.
I don’t think she has a chance in the general if I’m honest. She won’t even make it to nomination. However it would help with the Overton window if she ran. We need someone in the race with no gray hairs who will speak truth plainly. It’s amazing how long it’s been since we even saw that happen.
Why not? Her policies reflect the will of the voters much more than the other mainstream candidates. Is this another one of those, “only a centrist can possibly win!” type arguments? Because every time we say that the centrist loses. If we skip the BS what you are saying is that only a pro israel candidate can possibly win, right?
The last Democratic president was a centrist who won the primary over a very well respected and credible, experienced, white male who was simply further to the left.
We can argue about it more, but I think you are just overestimating the “will of the voters.” I campaigned for Bernie in the primaries and then watched the boomers around me nominate Biden. I no longer have any illusions about the rest of the voters, but you apparently do.
Biden won because he had the scent of Obama on him. And no other reason. So I think you have come to completely wrong conclusions.
So people vote against all their own interests because of the scent of Obama? That’s nonsense, but even if it were true it would only support my point that voters don’t care about what you think they care about. The DNC sucks balls to be sure but the electorate truly can’t be underestimated.
Agree but she needs to do something national for sure. She’s able to pull an audience on your all over the country, she needs to be elevated beyond congress. I really hope we can start moving away from personality politics. Let the big personalities get people excited and let the good hearted boring folks do the work. Maybe I’m wrong it’s just that personality voids attract sociopaths. Not saying AOC is one but if we’ve learning anything we need big benches from the local on up not single person leadership. Also I am inherently becoming distrustful of anyone who gains internet fame or looks good on TV and I suspect many other ppl are too
Certainly true of Newsom and the other options advanced by the DNC.
AOC is my second favorite serving politician after Bernie, she would be a great President.
But I’m afraid that the Democratic leadership will squash her, as they did to Bernie. She’s pro worker, and the Ds abandoned labor long ago (and they were paid well to do so).
If she runs, I am voting for her, whether it’s with Democrats or DSA or Green.
DNC want to keep her away from Schumer’s senate seat.
Schumer is 76. He should retire. This is ridiculous, go out and enjoy your life. Advocate for AIPAC. Do something else.
What school of propaganda are you representing?
What part of your colon are you looking thru to see my comment as pro schumer?
Are you posting from tel aviv?
I assumed I was agreeing with you.
Every time I get a text pretending to be from Shumer begging for donations I cringe at how many people just yelled fuck you at their phone. Doddering bastard.
DSA is going to be too busy purity testing and infighting to support her publicly.
You liberals are idiots.it is your side who go to fox news to attack dsa
I never had any criticisms of the organization until I joined lmao.
My local DSA is quite up-front about being a “big tent”, I’d be surprised if others weren’t also.
DSA is run by amateurs who don’t know how to handle the media. While I agree with some of their positions, it’s too embarrassing to be represented by them.
Imagine saying that after seeing Mamdani communication skills
You should look at who actually runs the DSA.
Politicians like Mamdani are actually an exception and they’re successful at getting elected because they’re not communicating like the DSA itself. They’re doing quite the opposite.
They are normal humans and fellow American citizens. If that’s what you mean by ameuture…
I would much rather vote for normal humans right now than rich pedophile baby eaters…
explain the baby eater part, i missed that
There’s allegations in the Epstein files that some of our elites have eaten babies.
That’s also an old QAnon conspiracy and why Comet Ping Pong got shot up a decade ago. Please exercise skepticism and don’t commit any terror attacks.
Came here to say this.
I love it when I see some overly online person - the same types that would complain that Chomsky is some kind of right-wing stooge - complain about some way that they were betrayed by AOC.
I mean, FFS. I imagine quite a few of these posters are probably just Russian plants meant to split the Democratic party, but I do know some of these types IRL, so some people actually hold these ridiculous views.
The same complaint is made on Zizek as being a right wing plant.
Nah. We only purity test right wing neoliberals. They are the ones that accept Israeli money and share donors and campaign funds with maga
And when the DNC ratfucks that attempt as well, and coronates Newsome or HarrrisAgain, will you accept that the party is the problem?
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2016: Clinton (unpleasant creepy woman) vs Trump (worst human in USA) Trump Won
2020: Biden (unqualified white moron man) vs Trump (still worst human in USA) Biden won
2024: Kamala Harris (unqualified “half progressive” non white woman) vs Trump (still worst human in USA) Trump won
2028: AOC (progressive Latina woman) vs Any white republican, pos or not Republican will win
Clinton won the popular vote
I think AOC could be a strong candidate. I would support her. I also would support Jon Ossoff.
I’d sure rather vote for her than Harris or Newsom and realistically, idk who else is gonna run.
I’ll support her and anyone she supports if she fails to secure the nomination for herself.
Newsome thanks you for capitulating early.
The more people who say shit like this now. The less difficult it will be to ratfuck her campaign, rig the primary, and coronate a donor-friendly Neoliberal ghoul. I’ll check back here in a little over two years and see how you feel about my prophecy coming true.
I promise to never think of you ever again.
Try again
See ya in 2028. I absolutely will say I told you so.
