• buddascrayon@lemmy.world
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    This is the same exact losing strategy the centrist democrats have been attempting to use for the last 20 years. They want “broad appeal” which basically means virtue signalling to bigoted republican voters who are going to mechanically vote for the person with the R next to their name no matter what any democrat says or does. And yet, they keep trying and turning their backs on the left as if to say, “we don’t need you to win”.

    Until these awful people are ejected from the democratic party or the DSA gains more momentum, this bullshit is just going to keep happening.

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      They’re not “attempting to use it”. It’s working well for them, their goals just aren’t what you imagine they are.

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    And people act like I’m some kind of crazy person when I say that when you resolve to vote blue no matter who, you only incentivize the blue candidates to appeal to republicans. I just didn’t expect it to be this overt

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      As an outside observer it seems like every blue is better than red, the best strategy is choosing which blue before the election.

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        For sure, but it’s hard to overstate just how much influence the DNC has. Every blue is better than every red, but by resolving to vote blue no matter what their actual positions are, we are trading short term harm reduction for long-term harm multiplication.

        Before long we’re going to have the DNC force in a candidate who wants to jail trans people, and they will be slightly preferable to the republican who wants trans people executed. I want to avoid that eventuality, and that means demonstrating that being against human rights loses you the leftist vote.

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          Certainly not Haley Stevens. The “I see Israel in my dreams” lady just endorsed Abdul El-Sayed’s Republican opponent still saying she is a proud Democrat without any sense of irony.

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            Nor does the party at large, they actively work against their own members, if the members are considered “too progressive”. They fund MAGA opponents in several races.

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    ITT: A whole lot of piefed, .word, and .ca accounts just go and completely mask off. They hate trans people and they want you to know it.

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      Yeah, never going to vote for someone who rejects the existence of my friends. I’ll vote for someone else and if there is no one to vote for I will draw a giant knob on the sheet in protest of the shit choices.

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      Ummm actually acknowledging reality is russian propaganda and youre only allowed to say anything mean about Democrats for about two weeks after the election. As we all know if you dont say anything negative then republicans aren’t allowed to do it either. My strategy of voting for democrats and never making any demands of them is incredibly realistic, just look at how much we’re winning and all the progressive genocide we’re doing!

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        Akshually, If all the genocidee had died quietly instead of moaning and crying so loudly, Democrats could’ve wrapped up the genocide quicker.

        Also, the anti-genocide (aka aunty-semites since Gazans are semitic people) didn’t listen to the orders of The Party. Vote Blue No Matter Who! Which is how you got Donald Trump. Donald is Not an ally of the trans people. By extension, all anti-genocide aunties of semites automatically hate trans people.

        Basically, the anti-genocide protesters are transphobic for refusing to vote blue unconditionally.

        Vote Blue No Matter Who otherwise you’re a transphobe.

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    1. FInd a Democrat who hates trans people.
    2. Turn that into The Democrats are trans-hating fascists!!
    3. Airtight rationale for not voting!

    Well alrighty then.

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    it’s a big tent. being open to many ideas is a good thing. being so open minded your brains fall out, not so much. finding that sweet spot where they can be inclusive, but not allow the bigots and asshats is harder than just going with bigotry as your standard - see the GOP.

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    Yeah, so compromise is a two way street. If you’re position is that you want to burn down everything and implement a system that’s failed every time it’s been tried, and you’ll label everyone that doesn’t agree with you as a fascist, there’s not much anyone can do.

    Nobody is compromising with the fascists, they are compromising with the center right though. Of course if you see everyone as a fascist… well see the first sentence.

    If you’re going to retreat back to “well I just want healthcare!” that’s what liberals have been trying to do for decades. You’re too busy being uncommitted and going on rants about how everyone that disagrees with you is a fascist for you to notice. And you’re not reliably voting against fascism, because you don’t even know what fascism is.

    To avoid fascists remaining in power, the only option for the political opposition to fascism is to compromise with people that reliably vote. That isn’t you. If you’re uncommitted to democracy, don’t cry when democracy has to move on without you. You chose to turn your back on democracy because corporate social media told you authoritarianism is better than democracy. Communists and fascists are just drinking a different flavour of authoritarian kool-aid, but you’re all drinking the authoritarian kool-aid.

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        Yeah you’re telling people to not vote because everyone is a fascist other than you. You’re carry water for the fascists, the only question is whether you’re aware of it or not. But the answer to that question is irrelevant.

        To everyone who’s not a “leftist” propagandists, you should vote. There will never be a candidate that exactly matches your views. You vote to remove the fascists from power. To make sure there is no confusion here: The Republicans are facists, the Democrats are not fascists. Vote for Democrats if you oppose fascism.

        Ignore the memes, they could be coming from Russia or who the fuck knows where. Vote out the fascists out. It may be your last chance to do it.

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      fuck off. you say this as we live in the reality of no progressive representation, and the world is currently burning. the current “center” is so far right, that there is debate over whether it’s legal that renaming minorities as “enemy combatants” removes their rights as humans in our society. to compromise with this “center” is compromising with fascists, period.

      you lie that liberals are fighting for universal healthcare, we have fucking eyes and memories longer then a 6 month campaign cycle, and a campaign promise is worth jack

      you say we don’t know what a fascist fucking is, and here you are running interference for a candidate openly erasing trans identity! fuck you, and your masters! crawl back to your echo chamber you absolute slime

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        you lie that liberals are fighting for universal healthcare, we have fucking eyes and memories longer then a 6 month campaign cycle, and a campaign promise is worth jack

        Can you also count? These things aren’t happening because not enough people vote for it. Too many pricks on the internet telling people not to vote because everyone is a fascist.

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    The BEST way for Democrats to Gain Power is to Cater to People who LOVE voting Democrat! Cater to People who want to MURDER DEMOCRATS!

    -Literally Democrats!

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      Literally true when half of their voters are committed to voting for them no matter what their policies are. The actual best strategy is to move to the right. “Vote blue no matter who” was always going to lead to this

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      Sad thing is, it’s kind of true (or at least was). In a two party system, its not a bad strategy to try gain electors from the other party, as the ppl more radically from your side will vote for you rather than the other party. Now then, the political spectrum and Overton window shifted so much to the right that it is not sufficient to just exist and be the “lesser evil”.

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        Its not. In a 2-party system, the parties geneally move to equalize around a 50-50 split of the population. However, in a country where around half the eligiable voters show up, voter turnout is a much bigger lever to pull. Obama and Trump both figured that out. Alienating your base is the opposite of smart.

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        It depends on how they gain people from the other party. The Democrats could gain them by giving them better health-care, or fewer wars, or by making the rich pay taxes, or by providing affordable housing, or by improving their jobs.

        But the Democrat strategy is to gain them by supporting genocide, and attacking marginalized groups.

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        Less than half of the electorate votes, yet the democrat strategy is to try to appeal to the one group of people who make it very clear they’re going to vote for the other team.
        This is not a good strategy, as can be seen by how rarely it works (and even when it works it is by a slim margin)

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        No. It’s literally a bad strategy. Elections are about to turn out. The best way to win elections is to get your base to come out to vote. When you literally threaten their lives and threaten the lives of people they care about they’re going to stay home.

        You know why you preach to the choir? Because that’s how you get them to sing.

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          Their brilliant strategy is to come to a black church and arrogantly tell the choir “if you don’t vote blue no matter who, then you ain’t black!”

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    Ooh I hope she loses her election in 2 days. That way, the Republican will win and vote to amend the constitution so Trump can run for a third term and put all trans people in concentration camps! /s

    Non voters are all emotion, no strategy. They’ll let us all die so they can feel like the purest ally.

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      Do you think telling the overwhelming majority of people who might vote for you to go fuck themselves is a winning strategy?

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          Fascists will never vote for fascist-lite when the real thing is available.

          Triangulation doesn’t work. There’s a reason the republicans never try to triangulate themselves to be 1% to the right of the democratic candidate, it’s because it’s always been bullshit and just a pretense for democratic politicians to support policies that are bad for their voters and good for their donors.

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    Compromise is when there are two equally valid ways, but this is never that. One set of policies benefits the majority for healthy people and high quality of life. The other is meant to benefit the wealthy and keep the majority subservient to the owners, and worse health and life outcomes.

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    “doctor”

    EDIT: Uh-oh, she’s a pediatrician who hates trans people? I don’t like where this is going. Probably an island somewhere.

    EDIT 2: This “doctor” is almost tied in the polls with Darlene Graham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_United_States_Senate_election_in_South_Carolina#Polling_5

    EDIT 3: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Andrews_(pediatrician)#Policies_and_viewpoints "In an October 5, 2026, Truth Social post, Trump used anti-LGBT slurs against Andrews, calling her “Annie Trannie”. Andrews is not transgender.[31] The post was widely condemned.[32][33] Several days after Trump’s post, Andrews released an ad saying that she opposed “biological men playing women’s sports” and would not allow “gender surgery for minors”.

    This is fucking crazy. I’ve seen others do this before. Trump threw a slur at her and she basically said “Actually, thank you Donald, I’m on your side!”

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    This is something I’ve always felt should be studied.

    I’m a centrist, I believe in Bernie Sanders and AOC. Socialism is actual centrist beliefs.

    America is so far right they think healthcare is far left… it’s just barely left of centre.

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        I get called out by neo-liberals for using “terms incorrectly” all the time when I’ve learned their actual meaning and political positioning. Where as they still think they’re part of the left and get mad when you tell them NO.

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        I mean technically social democracy is kinda center. Liberals totally invert reality and believe that the symptoms of oppression are actually their cause, like being lazy = poor.

        Social democrats are weird because they use idealism sometimes, but are capable of using materialist analysis other times. They’re like philosophically half-socialist half-liberal. They will never turn materialist systemic critique against questioning the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, though.

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    Okay, pal, what’s your solution? You gonna get them defeated in their primary that ended 5 months ago in a 2:1 Margin?

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    Did you ever think that maybe these people AREN’T democrats? But as long as you believe they are, it’ll keep you from voting agents the party that actually IS out to destroy you.

    Stay divided kids. It’s what got us here.