Is it only ornamental? And why are they usually webbed feet (or at least they are in my experience)?

  • Captain Aggravated
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    1159 days ago

    Okay so there are layers to this question:

    Why does antique furniture usually have carved feet?

    First, antique furniture tends to be the fancy stuff for rich people. Modest furniture made out of a few boards for the unwashed masses usually isn’t considered for preservation, but the fancy shit rich people bought got kept.

    Rich people tend to like to show off how rich they are. And one way to do that up until fairly recently was through furniture. Maybe you use exotic wood, but even if you don’t do that you pay a woodworker to waste his life carving useless intricate details like pineapple newel posts or ornate table legs.

    The claw-clutching-a-ball design apparently comes from China, it’s supposed to be a dragon’s foot clutching a jewel. The British adopted it in the Queen Anne period because it’s ornate, fancy and foreign exotic. Rich people get to brag that they got their table, or a taste for the style, “during their travels.” Ball-and-claw feet specificall would fall out of fashion with the Chippendale era though fancy schmancyness would hit an all time maximum, and then the industrial revolution happened.

    It used to take a skilled artisan to make carvings like that with a chisel. Now, we have duplicating machines that can batch them out dozens at a time. This episode of the New Yankee Workshop shows this off. When building his Lowboy, Norm doesn’t even try to carve cabriole legs, he buys them from a company that makes them, and we get a little footage of the factory. This is why you don’t see the Zuckerbergs of the world showing off ostentatious carved furniture: ornate carvings are commodity items now. You can buy furniture with cabriole legs and arch cornices at any of those big warehouses out by the highway with a “Going out of business forever” sign out front.

    Is it only ornamental?

    95% yes. Speaking as a woodworker I can tell you, people overwhelmingly like looking at tapered legs. Our own legs taper, so we tend to copy that. From fancy cabriole legs to simple shaker furniture. A flared foot of any kind is mostly ornamental because again our own feet flare out, but there is a bit of a practical purpose: A larger surface area with a rounded edge is easier to slide across the floor than a small, sharply edged end of a board. It doesn’t tend to dig in as much, particularly on carpet. Also, the rounded features are more difficult to chip and splinter.

    Why are they usually webbed feet?

    It’s meant to be a dragon’s foot, so somewhere between reptilian and birdlike. It is also furniture, not a statue, so it’s rather stylized and not very anatomical.

    • @[email protected]
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      279 days ago

      I fucking love it when a specialist with relevant expertise who also happens to be a good writer gives a full on contextual breakdown that’s super accessible, well organized, well informed and a pleasure to read, on a topic I never even thought about. It’s the stuff lemmy dreams are made of.

      • Captain Aggravated
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        89 days ago

        Don’t mistake me for a scholar, now. I’m a guy with a thickness planer in his backyard shed that’s read a couple books and watched a lot of videos about building furniture. I’m confident I could defend the rank of “enthusiast.”

        That said, it is something I liked about Reddit. You could post “Left-handed theoretical psycho-ornithologists of Reddit…” and you’d get at least a few credible answers.

        • @[email protected]
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          Oh man we certainly do struggle. It’s like all the tools they make for actually doing theoretical psycho-ornithology are right handed! You know what I mean?

    • @[email protected]
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      189 days ago

      I agree with all of this except the part about making things pretty being a waste. Beauty has its own value, although far too often for pieces like this it was more for bragging rights as you said.

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        Also plenty of craftsmen make beautiful shit without being rich. Bragging rights is a weird way to say creative effort in that sense.

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            I craft many things, however I only display my wealth with ostentatious hats I obtain from a madman.

            • Captain Aggravated
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              29 days ago

              Yeah, see: when you’re looking at these highly ornate antiques, it’s not the wealth of the craftsman on display; it’s the wealth of his customer.

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          29 days ago

          Kind of my point, but a set of a dozen chairs like that isn’t so much about creativity as it is cost. Still beautiful imo, although i still prefer more minimalist styles in furniture.

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      8 days ago

      The claw clutching a pearl is just one variant of countless others. We have furniture from ancient Egypt and Rome which has legs carved as animal feet, so it is not a tradition that stems from the British via China.

  • Monkey With A Shell
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    819 days ago

    Decorative flourish for the most part. A lot of that old stuff was crafted by hand rather than a machine so it tends not to be designed for mass production.

    • @[email protected]
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      119 days ago

      A foot like this is a blend of decorative and functional, imo.

      You end up with more surface area than if you had just gone with a straight column, and that helps with stability, slightly lessens the pressure.

      Many modern tables or desks have… much less ornate footpad type structures, if the thing itself is quite heavy, or intended to hold a decent amount of weight.

      Of course… I have no way of knowing if this old… desk? table? whatever it is, was intentionally designed with that in mind, but the function is still there, at least to some degree.

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      The metal ones were quite often mass produced by casting, like in claw-foot bathtubs. Probably in imitation of older artisanal pieces, which were already antiques in, say, 1910.

      • Monkey With A Shell
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        49 days ago

        Casting I would say is kind of a separate deal. You can still find somewhat ornate cast things today, although more often it’s injection molded plastic coated in paint.

        You could do this kind of thing with wood in a CNC machine, but more often it’s just some straight cut or moulded particle board stuff with no life in it.

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    309 days ago

    Also because SURVIVING antique stuff is still here because it is fancy and well made.

    Plenty of cheap shit was made at the same time and long ago burned in the trash pile.

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      With all 4.5 children inhaling the lead paint fumes wafting off of it, or something like that. Ahh, the old days.

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    9 days ago

    As for why webbed, because it was easier than carving the toes out completely, and probably more stable.

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      149 days ago

      I agree that stability, durability and ease of manufacture were the likely reasons.They probably weren’t intended to be seen as webbed feet though. More likely they’re meant to depict taloned claws clutching a sphere.

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    169 days ago

    Webbed toes help them swim more efficiently. As more and more furniture moved indoors, the shape of the legs and feet evolved to the drier climate. You can still find modern pieces where the look has been replicated, but the webbing tends to be decorative in nature, not functional.

      • Baron Von J
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        89 days ago

        Fainting goats actually evolved from the fainting couch, an evolutionary cousin to the chaise lounge.

    • Monkey With A Shell
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      109 days ago

      Given the trash that passes for furniture these days I expect that in 50 years or so people will still be hunting for stuff from the early 1900s or earlier to put into their place.

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        29 days ago

        Possibly. They’ll still be baking with the same chunky mixers, though.

        This has already happened to a degree. You might have seen a log cabin but probably never a sod house. Probably not so many crank-powered tools either.

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        29 days ago

        Maybe the supply of old furniture will dry up, and demand would rise enough to make actual quality furniture feasible again

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    69 days ago

    Because it hurts less when you hit your foot against it when going to the toilet during the night