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Turns out that guy is Microsoft.
“… an AI slop version of Microsoft Office that doesn’t fucking work” also known as Microsoft Office 365
The only reason Microsoft exists today is because of Exchange and an old market share on consumer/prosumer OS.
They’re a glorified email hosting company and an embarrassment to software development. Idc what AI does to their shitty software. Fucking hate Outlook.
Their user management and device management are basically unmatched by any other provider.
Active Directory is used in close to every company just because of how the sheer amount of features that are useful to businesses.
It is easier to shift your business away from Adobe than it is to shift away from AD.
That’s not really accurate, Azure is massive.
Only because Microsoft offers bundle deals between Azure and O365 for business customers. The point still stands.
I’ve never understood the appeal with Azure. I was forced to use it for 4 years and hated every second of it. It’s really awful.
Azure is like the SharePoint of cloud services. The controls are horrible. They keep making breaking changes to how they do crap; the whole thing is unintuitive enough that you really need someone trained to use it.
I stood it up beside AWS and used them both for what they were cheaper for; I eventually gave in and migrated the last few images I had over there to AWS.
Azure works, but it’s not good. IMO, the only reason it exists is that they have good Datacenter licensing fees and people using Entre to get away from having to host their own DCs.
Linux
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Maybe for most personal users, but in B2B (where the money is) …
I remember when companies hosted their own email. Giving up control of that was the beginning of the end.
This is actually one of the best things of this year. First they shit on adobe and now Microsoft, the two most hated and worst hurdles in the way of people switching to Linux. I’m actually predicting that there will be regulations now by the government over this stuff (it won’t work or do anything of course because it’s not even touching their code base) since our government loves money and corporations more than humans.
At this point I’d be surprised to find out they write code fully “by hand” and do not use llms anywhere in the pipeline.
They are very vocal about their anti AI opinions so i somewhat doubt it.
You may be flexible in your morals, but not everyone is
Long live Libre devs!! Been with yall for over a decade
I have played around in it for a few minutes and so far I’m impressed. The file size is tiny by modern standards. It loads super fast, is responsive, much better than the enshitified crap that is the “real” MS Word from what I can see. It is missing some of the more advanced features but most people won’t be using them. What’s there seems to be functional enough that a lot of people wouldn’t even see a drawback.
I played around with the photoshop clone as well. I’m not 100% familiar with the modern photoshop since I use Krita for most of my needs but I’ve been able to do a few basic things to test out like drawing, filling, transforming an image, warping text and things like that and haven’t found anything broken so far.
I hate AI but anything that pries away the enshitifying grip the likes of Adobe, Microsoft and Autodesk have on the industry I’ll welcome.
It’s definitely vibe coded, you’re in a hive mind that assumes nothing has changed since gpt3.
I hate what ai is, but I’m not stupid enough to think it’s not good at churning out good code at this point, my ethics still tell me to never use ai again and to runaway from the entire industry at this point.
Remember if the OSI/FSF actually cared about the gas generators/theft/Palantir, anti LLM amendments would be introduced in GPLv4 & Apache v3 & BSDv7.
Remember if the OSI/FSF actually cared about the gas generators/theft/Palantir, anti LLM amendments would be introduced in GPLv4 & Apache v3 & BSDv7.
They freak out every time such possibilities are discussed, like “oh, no, the freedom number 0, that won’t be open source”, but I ask myself who decides what open source is. if it’s something really community-based, the community must be able to have a say in such matters, but they’re always dismissed, in favor of what a small group decided a few decades ago and imposes on us without any margin of popular participation
Be the change you want to see https://github.com/non-ai-licenses/non-ai-licenses
I’m out for it as a profession the industry has made clear it’s ethics.
Edit: Here’s another that prohibits LLM usage not just training https://ihateailicense.eu/
Thanks for the link. I got an interest in licences that add restrictions to current open source ones
That’s just licenses to prevent use in training data, but other LLM related use is unspecified.
LibreOffice is great, but it has some glaring issues that keep it out of the mainstream. In my experience it can’t handle multiple monitors with different scaling, comments on 365 don’t import, formulas in sheets break, etc.
Some of these issues come from Microsoft, but other FOSS office suites like ONLYOFFICE have overcome them so it’s doable.
I get the sense their tech stack is very rigid so that may be why iteration is slowed.
This. As much as I want LibreOffice to succeed (AND I WANT LIBREOFFICE TO SUCCEED SO SIT DOWN YOU IN THE BACK), having converted actual work projects over to LibO and maintain them has been hell, to say the least.
2026 and tables and text boxes still explode the document into confetti if you look at it funny. Hours of frustratingly reconstructing documents, or reloading progress saves because moving a text box one pixel over makes things explode.
LibO needs QA and maintenance fixes, badly. If you don’t want LibO to use AI models to bug hunt, then enlist and help fix it. Development in turning LibO from a messy desk project to something actually useable efficiently has taken literal decades already.
OpenOffice hasn’t released a major version since 2013.
My team uses LibreOffice exclusively, and extensively. It’s fine.
Ah my bad, I meant ONLYOFFICE*
So many offices 😅
Oh sure.
OnlyOffice compatability with MS is much, much better than LO.
However, I think LO is focused on compatibility with the spec rather than MS - so its an ideological thing. Not much comfort if you want comments in documents I guess.
Yeah I mean at the end of the day it’s a work tool.
I had a situation a few weeks ago where a Microsoft user sent us a PowerPoint of screenshots full of comments from the client about what to change. People on MacOS couldn’t see the comments in their software and I couldn’t see it on Ubuntu Studio using LibreOffice either. ONLYOFFICE had them but they were still hard to find in the UI.
The desktop scaling one just does my head in too. Feel like on Linux I should have more options and utility and I probably could figure something out if I tinker with it. But who has the time ey
compatibility with a standard does not mean much if nobody implements the standard
I disagree.
LibreOffice is a flagship FOSS project - they have delivered genuine benefits to users over a long period of time with no shady financing arrangements or other encumberances - few projects can claim this outstanding status.
They could not have achieved that status if they were dancing along to Microsoft’s merry jig. With very limited resources LO can’t implement microsoft’s proprietary features.
OnlyOffice by comparisson is opensource but has a paid tier intended for corporate clients. That being the case they really need to offer better compatibility.
OnlyOffice is “largely FOSS but with issues”.
that doesn’t work
You see, they took the efforts to replicate Microsoft excel experience.
Excel is the 7th ring of hell
If you think using it is bad, try deploying/maintaining it
What level is Teams?
Hells sewage tunnels.
Satan just asked god to add new layers of hell.
He also asked to remove all the fun emojis because fun is banned in hell.
they made Teams 2, Satan might not get the note because he uses teams.
But they got stuck in infinity meetings
Do windows next! WA and IG too! Might as well go whole hog on the corpos.
They need to implement the rest of the Wine stub functions. That would make it 100% compatible with windows applications…
Nah, that would be productive and not flashy enough for a publicity stunt.
That’s a bit of a risky thing to do. They need to be careful not to introduce some proprietary code.
I mean windows is already vibe coded
Judging from their past performances and ideas, it was already vibe coded long before AI. Based on the vibes of whoever was in charge at that point.
There’s that, but it seems like microsoft has always been a bunch of civil wars between departments, each trying to push theirThing® and their way of doing things.
That’s led to nonsense like there being about a dozen different ways to configure the OS (control panel, settings app, local and domain group policies, registry, powershell, msconfig, device manager, disk manager, every single network connection, schedule manager, the services manager, task manager for some reason since 11, and I’m sure I’m forgetting some), most of them specific for certain parts of the OS, or incomplete.
Or the way they publish APIs and UI frameworks and whatnot (also cyclically losing favour and support and being replaced by some shiny new thing that at this point almost no one will use), yet almost every single one of their flagship programs (office, visual studio…) uses its own custom undocumented UI and API hacks, extremely hard to replicate with the available documentation, and forcing the users to learn new UI paradigms with each app or major update…
Hell, a couple weeks ago I was trying to diagnose a remote desktop disconnection issue, and it involved looking at two different logs and trying to relate their events by their timestamps to find the termination code because for some reason remote desktop and winlogon use completely different session IDs, and the remote desktop people never thought to include the winlogon session ID in their logs…
TL;DR, It seems to be mostly different departments trying to push their own things and pushing sticks into each other’s wheels, while also, as you said, trying to appease the whims of the current main boss.
Utter chaos.
Jesus fuck did the LLM slop bots come out?
Why the fuck is everyone in favor of slop apps now?
The comments here are insane
I firmly believe a fair chunk of the ones who are supporting it on here are either bots or have fully drank the vibe-aid, whereas the people who don’t support it are ( in some communities ) being pushed away because the sloperators/bots are genuinely trying to psy-op us all into giving up our mental faculties to the clankers.
This is my paranoid conspiracy of the moment.
“In favor” is a strong phrase. “Understanding the inevitable” might be more apt.
What barely works right now will get better. What was slop will surpass the best humans can code soon. I am old enough to remember when “Made in Taiwan” and “Made in Japan” were racist pejoratives for bad quality.
It’s great to love your horse and your ferrier business, but when you’re watching Model T’s roll off the assembly line, even with initial build quality issues, you can see the world is changing.
I don’t think it’s a apt description, this so the first time human knowledge has in anyway been “automated”.
It’s either “doesn’t work” or “does work”.
And once it truly does work it’ll be a different store. These sloperators thing that they have AGI like if they use the correct magic words a real enterprise app will come out. But it’s not true, they are riddles with technical debt, drag, security vulnerabilities and bugs. No matter how many times you sift through them with the LLM.
Once AGI has arrived its a different story. Once coding is “solved” via a AI it’s pretty much the singularity. software development requires critical thinking skills that once acquired will allow them to pretty much do any knowledge job on the planet and actually self improve.
LLMs aren’t it, and when something real comes along I’ll be ok board. LLMs have their use cases but anything outside of automating a call center or a voice assistant is pretty much a anti-pattern.
These aren’t model Ts these are horse drawn wagons with 500 horses so they say they can have as much horse power as a real car does.
This is nowhere near the first time in human history knowledge has been automated: writing, the printing press, mechanization, hard disks, databases, algorithms, the internet, all have done the same.
It isn’t boolean. Programs can be buggy but improve. They aren’t either perfect or nonfunctional.
I don’t know if AGI is achievable. I do know AI will be capable of programming of increasing complexity.
I’m going out on a limb here, but I don’t think the kind of person who contributes to FOSS projects get into it for the fame and attention.
Well Fuck. I should have done more research on this…
collabora for me. Libreoffice-based but adjusted for “normies” (user interface from this century)
The 1995 user interface soothes my nerves but I will give collabora a try
what is this referring to?
The ArtCraft suite.
Someone has been creating open source clones of the most popular industry standard programs that have been enshitified to oblivion like Adobe Photoshop and Microsoft Office. They’re free and open source. I don’t think they’re nearly as bad as what the meme suggest. They do work from what I can tell although some features appear to be missing. And since they’re open source if anything needs fixed it will be fixed in the future.
Except Claude shat them out in record time which means they’re likely virtually unmaintainable.
And probably burned half of the Amazon forrest to do so. What the hell.
I mean, I’m kind of for it not as a surface level practical solution, but as a symbolic fighting back against the big guys.
Like, if AI is going to make the worker valueless why not use it to make the products of rent-seeking software giants useless as well?
It doesn’t have to be only symbolic, the capabilities of the current models have the potential to blow a lot of locked-down hardware and software wide open. Proprietary firmware can be decompiled and reverse engineered by an LLM, sometimes in literally minutes.
I’ve been deeply sceptical about AI for a long time, but the stuff it’s doing now can’t be ignored and isn’t going away. Personally, my stance is now that we should crack open everything we can and gain back control of our stuff while tokens are still relatively cheap and the AI companies are still solvent. Or they succeed in regulating open weight models and start locking down their own models’ capabilities.
Like, wouldn’t it be fantastic if all those proprietary vendor blobs in Android got decompiled and suddenly we get drivers that allow Linux to run with full functionality on any phone? What about jailbreaking our cars and nuking all the spyware? What about turning every cloud-dependent smart device into a local-only one? There’s so much we could do.
I’ve been wondering when/if this thought process will gain more traction
Microsoft already changed what they are selling. Now they are renting document storage that happens to have document modification software integrated.
They long decided that owning access to the data was more leverage than the software used to edit it. Ditto for Adobe. Pretty much immediately software as a service encouraged “don’t worry about ever saving/managing your data” and it wasn’t about user convenience…
I remember a large company picking MS over Google Docs, because at least at the time, MS proudly advertised that you could show up with a wagon full of HDDs at their data centre and get your stored stuff. Although, a lot of enshittification happened since then.
Probably this: https://getartcraft.com/apps/wordcraft
claude, make everything on my website a pointless animation. No i don’t care about readability.
i feel like everytime this is my old man yells at cloud moment but i really hope we don’t get a web where every single element has to slide in.
Well that’s pretty much this age’s version of animated gifs everywhere
At least it’s viewable without javascript.
In the cloud era of the internet we‘ll all be shouting at clouds.
Oh my god my framerate! How the hell do you make a WEBSITE lag?!
By vibecoding it
I see it as a proof of concept. Whether these products deliver or not doesnt matter. What matters is components within proprietary tools can now be replicated in a fast and effective way.
Not everything from AI is slop. AI in the hands of good developers can be powerful and help make open source projects more productive. It needs careful governance and quality control, but this kind of stuff helps level the playing field as resource limited projects can do more with what they’ve got.
Without commenting on Microsoft and Adobe specifically, because I couldn’t care less about their fates, I find the prospect of no longer being able to make a living from making and selling software deeply depressing.
I could put my heart and soul into an app, stick it on a marketplace, and someone gets their LLM to RE the binary back into source code to repackage and distribute it. LLMs were built on theft but now they enable even more of it. As a SWE I’m quite demoralised.
I really did want to get out of selling my hours to an evil corporation by instead selling my own works of passion as apps, but this has really thrown a spanner in the works. I don’t want to have to use an always-online SaaS/licencing model instead, because I believe consumers should own things. This does feel like the final straw pushing me out of software entirely.
