• apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world
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    Blaming voters when the primary cause for all of that is corporate interference in every aspect from candidate selection to gerrymandering districts to lobbying to the ads seen online and on television to the misinformation/disinformation sewed into widely accepted corporate media.

    The people with money are the ones to blame. Not the pool of potential voters beaten into submission at work and propagandized into thinking a far right party and center right party are our only options.

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        Well first of all, ditch the fucking pretense that the Democrats collectively are actually leftists. They’re not, never were, never will be while you continue voting for them. Gavin Newsom is looking like the potential Democrat front runner for 2028, and he has a lot of negative things to say about LGBTQ+ people. That human rights are negotiable is an abhorrent political view.

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          Nah, that “first of all” guarantees a Republican victory. And Republicans are absolutely worse than Democrats. The “there’s no difference” crowd are simply wrong. It’s a two party system and that isn’t going to change anytime soon. You change the Democrats one elected official at a time. That’s your only choice.

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                You can look at what our ancestors did. It took voting against the lesser evil to end slavery. The Republican Party was a third party that abolitionists put forward after generations of effort failed to work either of the existing parties from within. In the end it took forming an entirely new party to actually push forward with abolition.

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                  Just as soon as there’s a viable leftist third party, they’ll have my support. Currently, third party votes only guarantee the greater evil wins.

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                    Yes we wouldnt want you to have to do any work of course. We’ll serve you up something nice on a silver platter, until then I’m sure all the Palestinians will understand that you voted for their genocide. “Oh, there wasn’t an immediate solution to everything available?” They’ll say “no no, we totally get it, please tell them we think its awesome starving to death, wouldn’t want them to be mildly inconvenienced” they’ll say.

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            We’ve been trying this “incremental change” in Democrats for decades now and this is the results we’ve got. Nah, don’t think it’s going to work chief.

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              Ok. What’s going to work? Seriously, tell us a strategy. Because bitching on social media is not a strategy. Third party clearly not a strategy. What’s the plan, chief?

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                Grass roots party funded by the people and truly for us. Because big money isn’t going to allow anyone to fundamentally change the system. Elect independent individuals into local and state governments as well who will work to remove first past the post and put in ranked choice voting. Again, expecting any of the big money parties to make change is the definition of insanity.

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            This is true, unless you’re an immigrant or a Palestinian or a union organizer or a peaceful protester or against expanding the police state or against fucking up the climate or you want to protect womens right to abortion or you want to protect queer people or you want universal healthcare or you want to lower the military budget or you want to stop interventionism. Its also not true about changing the democratic party one elected official at a time.
            But if we ignore all that, then its true, Yeah.

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        I participate politically in my city but it isn’t about me, this isn’t about atomization of each individual’s participation level. The problem is systematic and framing it as such is important, not blaming individual nameless voters.