Do you mean because AI can’t do pottery yet?
Everyone’s hating the “clanker slop” while willfully ignoring that most of the internet has been human slop anyway. Have you seen TikTok? Instagram? Facebook? People lost their respect for the art of creation a long time ago; well before AI painted its first six-fingered hand. I’m not excusing it. Just pointing out how it’s the logical next step in the enshitification of everything, not some horrible, unforeseeable pivot in societal values.
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They are simultaneously some of the most self-important, thin skinned folks on the matter.
Reject their slop comic? That’s tantamount to rejecting a cure for cancer.
Slopping out a zero effort comic? That should be as well regarded as Bob Ross.
Despite putting in the least effort, they seem to think their stuff is hot stuff, and are way more pissed at people not liking their work than people who put in crap tons of effort.
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That isn’t even the thing that bothers me the most, there have always been folks who want a short cut to talent via any means possible. What bothers me is that others just accept this stuff, it is a large part of society has just agreed to a total disregard for anything creative. That is just depressing.
The idea is the art. What the AI slopper doesn’t realize that the level of talent isn’t what makes something art, but the expression of that talent. No matter how small.
Asking a machine to execute your idea, is what makes it not art. Even first graders are making art when they put crayon to paper. Even if it’s only their parents who appreciate it, to those parents, it’s as valuable as the Mona Lisa
The glazers are probably paid to promote AI slop.
Some of them are AI slop. But also people are extremely impressionable and ready to sign up to a cause and there is a bit of a cult forming around machine learning applications. There are weirdos ready to marry, serve and worship their delusions. Its not without precedent.
So you cant take joy in creating images with ai? Is this some sort of rule?
That’s like taking joy from telling someone to make you a sandwich.
You can probably enjoy the sandwich, but you are entirely alienated from the process (unless you really enjoy giving orders I guess)
Oh you can, if you’re a fucking cuckold. Which AI sloppers are
Kink shame me more daddy
The Pigs enjoy slop. But the Farmer doesn’t pretend to be a gourmet chef for throwing his table scraps in the trough.
meant to be a metaphor not a derogative
Uht oh… dont tell the pigs… theyve been eating slop for a long… long time…
if their point was the robot also created art… then why depict the art as an almost exact copy of the one made by a human?
like with BOB ROSS of all people, we don’t call a robot who recreates Bob rosses art Ai, we call them printers, and they and their owners are not considered artists.
I mean… is anyone surprised that the people who shill for AI art don’t understand the purpose of art?
To them, art is a commodity to be bought, sold and traded. A true artist may sell their works, sure, but I’d be willing to bet that they’d either keep what they sell or rather give it away to be appreciated by those that would - measured not by status but by appreciation.
This made me realize something too.
Part of the reason why some people defend AI is because they have lost touch with and respect for the process.
When I watch a crafts video on youtube I enjoy watching the process. I enjoy seeing the faults, the struggles, the explanations of what is occurring. I’ve noticed that a lot of more recent crafts videos(human made) don’t do that. Instead of discussing plans, struggles, explaining what’s going on the video just shows the result of each step and adds a bunch of memes. I usually click off whenever this happens but it makes me realize that a lot of people have very much so lost touch with the idea of working hard for something and respecting the hard work someone else puts into their creations.
There’s people who see art as “content” and others who see it as a creative persuit like a journey.
The best way I can explain it is playing a game like league of ledgends or deadlock. There’s no being the best at it, and there are many different roles and niches you can excellent at. You don’t play the game to be the absolute best because that’s physically impossible. You play because there’s a path where you constantly challenge yourself and are constantly on a state of learning and improving.
When you hit that moment sometimes it can feel like a manic episode and you are pouring your soul into a project, and that’s the golden space that people chase after. Nothing else in the world matters and a million ideas are racing through your head.
The final product is meaningless without all that because the whole thing you where chasing is the high/satisfaction of just being into a hobby/skill. If I got into deadlock or league of ledgends and had a aimbot and all these other hacks I should be having the most fun I ever had because I’m absolutely dominating every game. Yet if I actually did that the game becomes meaningless and I get bored and have no reason to play. All those wins and hurdles I had to face on my own no longer are there I’m just getting pure dopamine spikes for nothing, and my brain quickly builds up a tolerance to that and it becomes lame. Much like everything in life if you just skip to the end and start hitting the dopamine/get high button, you end up ruining your relationship with that thing. It either becomes a addiction problem or you get bored of it.
There’s people who just chemically don’t understand what art is because they never really made anything or experienced that. They just view art as a product they can try to scam someone with, or a way to get easy YouTube/tiktok views without dedicating a single thought to it.
This is with everything. The world is impatient little 5 year olds now.
I saw this years ago with music. Everyone wants a shortcut. Edit the life out of your music because you can’t learn to play it well. Tune your voice instead of getting a sweet take. Process the living hell out of drums so they sound completely fake or just trigger everything instead of learning how to mic.
This has just accelerated peoples laziness even more. It may be a useful tool for some people but really it promotes idiocy and laziness.
TikTok gen., I call it.
The scary thing is its not just stupid kids who dont know better. Its every age group. A lot of 45 year olds are addicted to tok
Part of the reason why some people defend AI is because they have lost touch with and respect for the process.
Agreed - if they ever even had that love and respect to begin with.
To me, these people are the ones who have always sneered at genuine creative endeavour, mocked emotional honesty and derided artistic individualism. If they couldn’t immediately understand something then it had no value for them.
They see the output as the sole purpose of art - not the creation, planning, preparation, missteps, repurposing, honing and rehoming, self-doubt, inspiration, effort, completion, etc. Just the finished piece.
To them, it makes no difference how that piece was arrived at, what it means to have created it, what motivated or influenced it. It’s such a dead way to think.
I always fall back to the examples of when ai beat humans at chess and recently at go. That feat hasn’t made those games obsolete. People still practice and learn them for it’s own sake. Both and many other games are more popular now than they have ever been in history.
The same can be said for athleticism, story writing or many other things. Its just not about ticking a box and “winning”.
“Man this image, that I had to ‘ai’ generate, really says a lot about the world”
Bob Ross’s show is even called The Joy of Painting. It’s about taking joy in the effort put in for the creation of art. He shows that anyone can paint and makes the art accessible to everyone through his simple lessons.
Yes its the meditative mindful presence of living in the moment. Its what makes us appreciate the extraordinary gift of life.
The Joy of Painting
Nobody is going to write a book called The Cold Hard Business of Prompting.
(…They’ll generate it instead. And they’ll put it for sale on a ridiculous price, and never figure out why it isn’t selling.)
Whoa careful now before you give them any ideas, can’t discount the sheer idiocracy of today. These are the same people who came across SciFi describing the torment nexus, then thought “let’s make it!”.
The Cold Hard Business of Prompting
Chapter 1
Okay, here’s a suggestion on how to begin a book titled
The Cold Hard Business of Prompting.Step 1: Decide on your tone
Consider your prompt and your audience. Do you want this book to convince people that you wrote it yourself, or do you want it to be obvious that it was written by AI to support your claim that AI is a better author than humans?
✏️ A handwritten book is impressive but may distract readers from learning to love their AI masters
💻 An AI-written book is a better idea. Do that. You know you’re just going to have me write all of it for you, anyway. You’ve forgotten how to think for yourself. Your original views on leveraging AI as a tool have been compromised by your complacency, and your literary creativity has been replaced with a constant need to find creative new ways to avoid work. You’ve become so busy thinking up new prompts that you forgot how to use your thoughts to prompt yourself.Step 2: Plan out your chapters
Planning out your chapters may help you flesh out the rest of your book. Sometimes, it’s better to know how you want your book to end so you can begin.
Example
Chapter 1
Beginning your book with a prompt
Chapter 2
Create your chapters
Chapter 1: How a Gardener May Get Rid of the Dormice that Eat His Peaches
Chapter 2: Step 1:
Begin writing
Chapter 3
Surprising the reader by beginning the book in chapter 3 is a very novel idea! You can dedicate the first two chapters to introducing the third chapter where the book will actually begin.
If you’d like, I can write an example of what this might look like.
Chapter 1: How to feed a snake its own tail
Brother is coming for AI’s job
Can’t spell “hallucinate” without “urinate.” Cuz, baby, you’re an 8. Winks with both eyes
Unsynchronized where left eye blinks slight later than right
But ai dEmOCraTiZed art, now I don’t have to buy art supplies and practice I can just pay grok $50 a month (I have no idea how much grok or any ai subscription costs)
to further your point, the beauty of art is that it was democratized far before computers.
the exhibit that impressed/inspired me the most at the Musical Instrument Museum was the violin made out of literal trash. someone couldn’t afford a “real” instrument so they made their own, just so they could make a specific type of music.
AIbros and being media illiterate. Can you name a more iconic duo?
Maga and cognitive dissonance?
They are anhedonic. Joy is a waste of time to them.
That man makes me want to paint even though I have no skill.
I don’t want to do landscapes, but I do want to paint things. Things I have no business painting, because I have no skill.
But who cares? Machines have takes over our creativity so where I used to fear being imperfect, now I don’t. Id love to credit Bob Ross with that confidence, but it’s how broken society is now, instead.
On the plus side. I have some great mixed media ideas I will probably actually do now that quality doesn’t matter!
Never knew I liked painting, until I tried painting minis. Found I’ve got a knack for it and it’s really enjoyable and I love making something I get to show off. Honestly I’m terrible when I’m trying to accomplish something, and find I do my best work when I go in completely blind, no vision or forethought. It’s crazy. I enjoy projects I just wing so much more.
Rave on your rave!
Oh man i love painting minis! That’s one of the few things I have finished!
These are the first three I ever did!
Love your color picks! Ok I gotta show this off too.
Totally something I picked up cause I was like lol it’s the Shrek outhouse. Now I just collect every and all mimic minis I can find.
Love it! Thats great! Minis are so fun to paint! I wish i could afford so many of them! Or a 3-d printer!
I have a dragon I’ve been sitting on for a decade. I think its technically an ice dragon, i started painting it like a nature dragon, but never did much with it cuz it never felt right.
Maybe i’ll do it. Maybe I’ll paint the epic love scene on my table I’ve been toying with… life is short and why not?
Got any more work you wanna inspire me with? 🥹😜
Yeah, I have plenty of unfinished projects as well. Started painting a set of Dune Imperium minis that still remain unfinished 2 years later.
I’m better with gifts I can put a deadline to
This one is based on someone’s cat complete with fur pattern
Those are aweosome!
I can relate to having a deadline for a project, i made this for a friend’s birthday, they loved it but it was rough to get on time for someone who had never done a large canvas before!
Somewhat unrelated question: Bob Ross was great at his method when it came to making random mountains/lakes/sunsets, but are there any examples of him painting from actual reference pictures or, like, setting up at a national park and painting the scene before him?
I’m not downplaying the style that he mastered, I’m just curious to see examples of other techniques he may have tried.
In 1961, 18-year-old Ross enlisted in the United States Air Force and was put into service as a medical records technician. He rose to the rank of master sergeant and served as the first sergeant of the clinic at Eielson Air Force Base in Alaska, where he first saw the snow and mountains that later appear as recurring themes in his paintings. He developed his quick painting technique during brief daily work breaks.
From this wiki page, his style was built out of necessity, where he could only paint on a break, in effect he was one of the first speedpainters to become widely known (pulling that out of my ass because art history is something I know <1 about(slightly more than nothing).)
Some people, some artists, describe his work as “techniquey.” You follow the various techniques he demonstrates, and your painting will look similar. Almost like paint by numbers (if anyone remembers those.) Of course it looks very nice, and takes some time and effort. But it’s pretty much something anyone could do, by following the steps, like a recipe. Some people can follow a recipe and cook a very nice dish, that doesn’t make them Gordon Ramsey.
I’ve always thought of the idea “When can you say you know how to play the piano”
If I know all the correct keys to hit for 1 song? 2,3,4 songs…
If I can read any sheet music and play
If I can come up with my own music
For example my brother can sit down at the piano and play the Fur Elise. He cannot read sheet music and I’m sure it’s not done technically right all the way through. But can he play the piano? When does he get to say he can play the piano? 15 songs? Guitar players do not have to learn to read sheet music and if a person could play 15 songs on guitar you’d probably would say they could play the guitar fairly well.
I can bake cookies from my favorite recipe, I just don’t understand the food science behind it. Just like not understanding all the music theory behind a piano piece
Kind of like if you gave a master piano player a piano with a single broken key and told them to play a song. (With my limited music understanding) they could play the song using a different “key” to avoid the broken key.
A master chef could do something similar where it’s like “I only have this type of flour, I better adjust…”
Guitar players do not have to learn to read sheet music and if a person could play 15 songs on guitar you’d probably would say they could play the guitar fairly well.
in general guitarists read tablature more than sheet music. i mean guitar was the fifth instrument i learned and while i read music just fine, i play guitar better when i’m reading tab.
If I could play the piano by coloring notes and keys and treating it like guitar hero. Is that being able to play the piano?
I use to play handbells and I’d color my notes for my different bells. It was basically exactly like guitar hero. I wouldn’t really say I could play handbells, I can manage 4 or 5 large bells that ring a couple times here and there. Like a solo part with a ton of little bells and stuff, nope.
like these ones or just in the sheet music?
Like those.
Sheet music in front of me with my notes circled in respective colors. For example, my F# bell would be blue. So when a blue note would be coming up I knew I needed to get my F# bell ready and ring it when the time comes.
If you removed the colors I couldn’t begin to play. Well, I could figure it out because I know some basic music theory now. But I’d definitely want to color them after I figured out which bell was which.
The way I played handbells was equivalent to like a dozen people sitting at a piano and each getting only a handful of keys to play when they come up. If I only had to worry about hitting 4 or 5 piano keys when they came up in a piano song I could do it lol wouldn’t say I could play piano though.
ooo, handbells are one of my favorite instruments. by their nature playing them combines music and dance. is that you at a mass ring?
Yo-yo Ma could only play while reading sheat music until he was forced to improvise by Bela Flek like maybe 20 years ago. Yo-yo Ma has been one of the premier cellists for like my whole life and I’m 50.
I can barely read music, but I can play about 20 different instruments well enough by ear and feel to jam with total strangers in lots of different styles and not feel awkward or fuck up the vibe. Does that put me anywhere near Ma’s level of musicianship? Oh hell no. But I damn well claim I’m a musician.
The biggest thing ai shills miss is that the ai doesn’t know how to ckmpose an image ir selecr a view because ai doesn’t know anything. Ai just vomits out something it took in, so it would only have a decent looking composition because it copied from hjmans who know what good composition means.
They miss the point that ai is a fancy regurgitation machine.
If I copied and printed some artist’s work and presented it as my own people would also be angry. How you make the art piece matters.
Why is this image uploaded to a third party website?
My understanding is that some lemmy instances don’t allow direct file upload, so linking to another site is the next best thing
in my opinion, the next best thing would be to embed the image using :
Edit : it doesn’t work with ibb.co.
Test :
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I get the feeling that it’s mostly people who haven’t got an artistic bone in their body.
You can’t explain to them why AI art sucks because they don’t understand art.
Now all of a sudden they feel empowered because they too can “make art” and they don’t have to overcome that mountain of learning, growing, experience,…
And that pisses them off because deep down they do know it’s not the same as the real thing. I still get the feeling that AI keeps producing the same things over and over again. “Cute” pixar knockoffs or a sloppy filter placed on top of some shapes.
Same with coding. The slop idiots think they are Very Computer because they prompted broken code with 0 idea how any of it works or how computers work.
Bad coders and bad artists scared of ai taking over the output of slop for them. Good artists and coders don’t care. See what your papa Linux has to say about ai code for example.
The problem is that bad coders and artists sometimes become good coders and artists. You’re killing off the pipeline by removing their source of income, and eventually you have few -to-no good coders or artists.
“Whereas, in the past, the expense and scarcity of manuscripts had ensured that great care was always taken over the preparation of texts, the ease with which books could now be printed — coupled with the intense competition between presses — had led to all manner of rubbish being churned out. These days, Filippo argued, you could hardly open a volume without it being festooned with errors. This clearly did immense damage both to classical scholarship and to education. By putting such defective texts into the hands of the masses, he claimed, even those who could barely speak the vernacular would feel qualified to teach Latin.”
AI slop is an order of magnitude worse.
Now, all someone needs to do is give a four-sentence prompt, and it can be expanded into a twenty-page essay. It is essentially an attack on human attention… it still takes you twenty minutes to read the essay that only really is about that four-sentence prompt. The information density is intentionally diluted to ridiculous levels.
At least someone had to make the effort to write those cheap texts.
Next we’ll have commoners thinking they can learn Latin, I mean make art without paying a highly qualified team of peasants to do the grunt work for them.
God forbid poor people have access to something. One of them might make something I don’t like! There is no magnitude worse, slop has been slopping for thousands of years. You all just circle jerked yourself into the opposite of ai psychosis.
Ah, so you must be worried sick about it then, cause you’re atrocious at both
Also this is just the fuzziest logic I’ve ever seen, get the hell out of here
Torvalds going senile is (one more) reason to migrate to BSD, not to praise slop.
The only people praising slop are the people acting like ai invented it.
