But you can be mad and still love someone.
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I mean that’s fair. We’ve fucked up our international relationships for at least the next 50 years.
I can’t ask forgiveness of other nations. But I can ask that they watch their own parties. The same botsphere that aided in getting America to destroy itself has made smaller infiltrations into other nations’ politics. Brazil has thankfully done great, Germany has faltered a bit, the UK is fully off the Zionist cliff.
Just don’t be naive enough to blame Trump alone. He wasn’t nearly smart enough to capture this much control.
People who understand what is going on know Trump is a symptom, not the problem.
Trump becoming President didn’t make the US the way it is, Trump became President because the US is the way it is.
My favorite development of the 20s is the new world order unified in cooperation and dislike of America.
There is not a single anarchist who could have harmed the government nearly as much as Trump has.
The United States is a failed nation and according to its own libertarian principles, should be cut off from stronger nations and allowed to die naturally.
the thing about libertarian principles is that the vast majority of people who claim to believe in them only believe in them one way
Too early to tell, like the fucking post WWII Nazis, the Orange MAGA Turds continue to lurk around out there and they can still inflict a lot of damage by simply opening their f’n mouths.
This article is almost a year old, but it’s still very relevant:
We will never fucking trust you again
The therapist analogy is a good one. Elsewhere I saw someone talking about your ex being a week sober. Same idea. This is going to take way more than one election to set right.
The same voters are still voting who elected Donald Trump - and then fucking reelected him with full knowledge of who he is and what he does. No other country should trust us again at least until one generation of voters dies off, so 30 years. Maybe longer depending on how things go for those 30 years.
non-yank here, the one saving grace i see with the maga movement is that it’s a cult of personality, and political movements don’t tend to come back once they devolve into cults of personalities. like who’s gonna run it? jd vance, who doesn’t have the charisma to please a couch, let alone to run a country? hegseth, who is hated by his own party more than democrats hate a leftist? rubio, who sees maga more as a problem to solve and manoeuvre around than a movement that defines him? bannon and miller, who are so cartoonishly evil that they had to run things from the shadows even in a country that elected bloody trump?
i sincerely hope you do not have a good answer to this question. if you do, “never” is accurate. if you don’t, we might start trusting you again in like two admins or so. but we would definitely like to see some progress first, and while the blue wave in the midterms halts the decline, the hope for progress is pretty slim so far.
I don’t know who could conceivably replace Trump in his movement. But that is no consolation because Trump’s rise to political power was completely out of left field and really not predictable either.
The therapist analogy is a good one.
No, it’s not. It’s more like a bad boss died and was being replaced with an entirely new competent boss.
This analogy would work if the employees elect their bosses. As an outsider you will most likely limit your business with that company to the bare minimum if the employees pick a moron/genius seemingly randomly.
No, it’s not. There’s some new blood in leadership but the bad boss is very much alive and is only a symptom of the problem, not the cause.
What if we cup the balls?
Another mistake I won’t repeat
I can’t argue with that
As an American, I don’t feel right asking for forgiveness just yet. We’ve won a major battle but I worry people will take the midterm victory as a conclusion to the MAGA era and disengage, allowing it to take hold again. We’ve got a lot more work to do before we earn any sense of redemption.
What was the battle we’ve won exactly? Have we arrested any of the monsters running the government? Established free healthcare? Constitutionally guaranteed access to housing?
Or do you mean a slightly different neoliberal party won an election? If so I’d love to hear how that’s a “major victory” in itself.
Democrats are off to a bad start. Yes, I am aware that the newly elected have yet to take office. Multiple democrats failed to vote for Hegseth’s impeachment, another incumbent says that the old guard are threatening him. If Jeffries remains in place then you know it’s business as usual.
i think the bigger problem with hegseth’s impeachment is he cannot be allowed to be replaced before january. after that, the democrats have a lot of leverage over who takes his place, because they can just say no to anyone trump presents, and acting secretaries of defence have significantly lower credibility than proper ones.
…I mean at least the Zionist took his whole fucking mask off.
Absolutely. It’s nice to know where everybody stands.
The „checks and balances“ need reforming to actually resist capitulation to the executive branch. Most monarchs throughout history have had less power than Trump has been granted.
IMHO as an outsider, repealing Citizens United would be a step in the right direction, as would enforcing the requirement for Congress to declare war, not the President. In fact, generally curtailing presidential powers would be beneficial IMO.
I’m curious what others, especially Americans, would suggest.
curtailing presidential powers would be beneficial IMO.
In normal times, congress would limit the president’s powers, but the republican congress decided to let Trump have his way, with disastrous results.
Yup. We can’t repeat the arrogant mistakes of James Carville.
As a sikh seeing canada praise is so funny to me because all I see are racist comments from Canadians going “poopjeet” all day on social media
I’m sorry for my fellow Canadians. Unfortunately it seems to be a pattern in colonial nations to hate on the new guys. My ethnic ancestors were bullied and discriminated against when they first arrived here, too, but now we’ve apparently been here “long enough” to be acceptable to the bigots among us.
This is white infighting. Remember that both canada and the US are both white colonialist entities that never said sorry for their white colonialism
Also every platforms bans sht, you can’t even make a comment on tiktok saying just “jew” without autoremoval, but nothing to stop indian racism, terms like poopjeet which would never be anyones name can just be spammed all day.
I’m sorry, but we’ve been the crazy ex for minimum two decades. One could argue further back, but I set the start of our public decline at W. Before that, whatever issues we had internally, we at least still looked like we could walk and chew gum at the same time. Go team, we’re fucking failures.
Before W it was Reagan, before Reagan it was Nixon, before Nixon it was the Business Plot, before the Business Plot it was the Pinkertons, before the Pinkertons it was the literal cessation and subsequen war over slavery, before the Civil War it was the 3/5th Compromise, before that it was the first slaves brought to the Americas, before that it was Columbus being so monsteously awful by early 1500s standards that he was stripped of all of his titles by the spanish monarchy. We’ve always had crazy fucking racism embedded in the bones of our culture.
We don’t deserve the forgiveness of the geopolotical community until we hold the people in power accountable, if ever.
You literally forgot the war of 1812.
Yeah, no.
The government isn’t the people, that much is clear. There are plenty here that fought against all this. You certainly can lump everyone together, but that’s exactly the mentality that created MAGA in the first place, blind hate, divisiveness, its exactly what keeps everyone everywhere from a better world. Be better than that, it’s starts with the individual.
The people still in large part voted for republicans, half of you are pepugnent with only some changing their votes due to oil being so high. Until we see the American government enact critical reform to its government, I will never trust it.
This, rightfully, should be the United States’ eternal shame.
Nobody should ever, ever let us live this down, no matter how much time passes or how good our behavior on it’s face may seem.
The genocide of native americans and slavery of black people are the unchallenged, most shameful acts of the US. Nothing will ever top that. I hate to break it to you: the treatment and negative opinions of canadians by US policies is a footnote compared to chattel slavery and genocide—neither of which targeted white Canadians. Do not ever let yourself again believe otherwise.
I didn’t say it was the only thing we have to be ashamed of. The rest of the world shouldn’t let us forget our flirtation with fascism.
Again, enslaving people in some of the worst conditions imaginable and committing literal genocide is worse than some politicians having bad options.
I’m not convinced y’all won’t swing just as hard to the right in a couple elections
The system is designed so that we will. Democrats are successfully capturing and stopping social movements as is their purpose. We’ll get a few years of incompetence from them before we’re back to finding new ways to go even further right.
Neither am I. Seems the electorate have the collective memory of a goldfish. If the Democrats operate by their usual playbook and simply do nothing, then the absolute best we can hope for is barely squeaking out a win in 2028, which will be meaningless if nothing significant is accomplished with enough time for people to feel it’s effects. Republicans love to take control just before things start to get better, so it’s important to make sure people feel those effects well before the next election cycle so that not only do Dems have something to point to and say “look, we made things better!” but also the hopefully incoming democrat administration will be able to continue the good work and actually improve on it.
If the Democrats operate by their usual playbook and simply do nothing,
The biggest danger is that the Democrats will waste all this good voter energy to go back to focusing on feminist and transgender issues instead of the bread-n-butter working man issues that the Democrats used to focus on. TBH, I don’t know any Democrats who think about feminist and transgender issues. Most are concerned about jobs and inflation.
If the Democrats fuck this up like they are planning to, it will be in 2028.
sure seems like it’s going to happen. and when it does, we will deserve to be shamed for it
It’s the most likely outcome.
Given a lot of stuff from the past no one seems to care about, I seriously doubt that will happen.
I think Canada, Australia, Britain, and Europe are weak ghouls who stood by our side while we inflicted evil and misery on the world. At least in a moral sense, I’m glad Trump stuck his fingers in the pie and made all these Five Eyed goons run away.
It was especially disgusting to see everyone post pictures of dead soldiers and act like helping America fight all these wars was a noble thing that Trump was denigrating. Imagine being proud to wage war at the behest of corporate America.
At the end of the day, these ghoulish cultures didn’t rebuke American policy, they rebuked Trump. They didn’t like that their slice of the pie was being stolen by a conman. It skeeves me out to think we’re going to grow closer again after all this. Really hope I’m wrong and we snap out of it.
We hated you before Trump, we’re going to hate you after him.
I’m getting really tired of hate.
I’m a Floridian whose blood pressure dropped significantly after our midterm elections. The hate is literally harming my body. I know it’s not done and this is the first step out of many before we can be considered somewhat decent but I feel a little bit better about where America is as a country. But I don’t want you guys to let up on yet. Make it hard on us and make us learn a lesson. The hate sucks but it’s a motivator and a driver and we need some tough love right now. Don’t let up on us.
Tough love is when you persost in loving someone despite the difficulties in doing so. What people call “tough love” these days is just abrasiveness disguised as care, and that shift was caused by narcissistic sociopaths who characterize the harm they do to others as for their own good.
Thanks for the correction on terminology.
I really enjoy your framing of “tough love” versus the generally accepted definition. I do see room for both definitions, but ideally only if the no-nonsense approach to feedback for a loved one is underscored in the way you mention.
I am of the (extreme) opinion, that nobody currently alive should seek any kind of relationship / alliance with Murica again. Let them suffer the consequences of their idiocy for a century. I mean, how deranged does one have to be to elect a child-rapist and 37-time convicted felon?
Of course, that’s not gonna happen, but it’d be nice.
There are a lot of people who didn’t elect a child-rapist that you are condemning. Think of the worst people you know; I don’t want to be your friend because you know of that terrible person.
