• selokichtli@lemmy.ml
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      18 days ago

      It is better when they are concerned about beating the shit out of you. They are not soft when people is soft.

  • Fishnoodle@lemmy.world
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    18 days ago

    The French are fucking legit. We need that energy in the US. I mean, it’s much easier to organize and meet in city centers in France than in the US, but if you can get 2000 dedicated and coordinated people to split into groups of around 500 and cause chaos simultaneously in any large city you’ll overwhelm the local police, national guard, whoever they decide to call in. Plus a group of organized patriots could easily disperse and blend back into the crowd if needed, then re-convene, regroup, and hit them where they ain’t. I mean FFS there’s a national guard armory a few miles from me with hummers, apc’s, a few tanks, and all sorts of sweet military gear. At any given time there’s probably 30 people or less on site guarding things, and they don’t really wanna die. There’s a single chain link fence with some cantina wire keeping people out. A car or a pair of bolt cutters will take care of that. You show up with a few hundred armed civilians, smoke the hell out of the place, cut power lines to the armory, and let them know they can either hand over the keys, disarm, and leave, or they’ll be burned down with the building they’re in.

    Most military vehicles don’t even have keys. If you get thru the fence and can open the door/hatch, it’s yours.

  • alexquiniou@lemmy.zip
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    18 days ago

    Most protests was people walking, being happy, singing and talking. What everyone is talking i that 10% shit happening.

    Please, be aware that most of the time people are peaceful. That what everyone have to stick in their brain.

    • TrackenDaKracken@lemmy.world
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      17 days ago

      Anyone who remembers the George Floyd protests remembers that being the case then, too.

      The NYPD funneled the peaceful protesters into one intersection and then attacked.

      • dustyData@lemmy.world
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        17 days ago

        And French police is doing the same. They even have an official name for barricading. They trap a group of peaceful protestors into an alley, then send a provocateur dressed as a civilian to start violence. They use the violence as an excuse to detain and injure everyone trapped inside the barricade. When the battle breaks out, they use that to further repress the peaceful protestors.

        It’s a worldwide established practice by all police forces.

        • starik@lemmy.today
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          18 days ago

          It doesn’t show correlation. They’re probably making a point about priorities, because it shows more people attend furry conventions over the course of a year than ICE protests.

          • antianarchist@sopuli.xyzdeleted by creator
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            18 days ago

            Absolutely correct. I made the graph out of a joke and did not expect the result. A lot of US people still believe that what they are doing is “heavily protesting the government”.

            • dreamkeeper@lemmy.world
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              17 days ago

              And how did you define “ICE protest”? We had 8 million at No Kings in one day last year, funny how that isn’t in your cherry picked graph.

              • antianarchist@sopuli.xyzdeleted by creator
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                17 days ago

                lmao, I know that education is bad, but at least try to read and understand that graph, where it clearly says those are ICE protests, so your allegation of me cherry picking is simply stupid. And if you believe that No Kings was about protesting ICE, then you most likely did not even understand the message you want to transmit to your government

                The No Kings protests grew a large number of participants, because US people love to walk around with cardboard signs together with friends. After the protests, everybody went home happy and the next day everything was as if nothing happened.

                Just another one believing you are heavily protesting your government while the rest of the world is laughing at you.

      • myyass@lemmy.world
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        17 days ago

        Yeah. It’s not like people don’t remember what happened in Kent State or the Coal mine protest. You can say all you want about the second amendment until you learn the concept of superior firepower.

          • mursejoy@lemmy.zip
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            17 days ago

            Good people dying for a good cause. The US is catatonicly lumbering towards self destruction. One death won’t snap anyone out of it. Alex Pretti proved that. It’ll take hundreds of people slaughtered for the people to wake up. If the government doesn’t bury it like China does with Tiananmen Square.

        • CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world
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          17 days ago

          I think in the US you would see this if people felt like they were choosing between dying and dying. If it was die in a riot or starve to death or die of exposure for example. Right now it’s suicide by cop or pretend everything is fine. I think if the US didn’t have insane violent thugs in surplus military gear driving armored vehicles as law enforcement you would see a lot more “action”. The math just doesn’t add up if you know acting this way will likely end up with you dying.

          • myyass@lemmy.world
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            17 days ago

            This is what the rest of the world doesn’t understand. It’s been demonstrated in history. Everyone thinks USA Mickey Mouse and Coka Cola! It’s more like the saw movies.

            • bantering@lemmy.zip
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              17 days ago

              Yeah it’s not my fault I’m a coward, the rest of the world never had to fight in the face of death for their rights so they wouldn’t understand.

              Huh actually they do understand seeing as most of them did have to do that.

              It is all Mickey Mouse and Coca-Cola. And by that I mean they have you fat and distracted.

              Speaking of Mickey Mouse go watch andor again and tell yourself how brave and righteous you were while you watched.

              • myyass@lemmy.world
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                17 days ago

                You’re not a coward. You probably never had a gun to your face or bled for six hours, talk about a roller coaster of thoughts.

                • bantering@lemmy.zip
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                  17 days ago

                  Keep telling yourself it’s so much tougher to protest in America than it is for France. Whatever makes you feel better.

    • ysjet@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      18 days ago

      If this was an american no kings protest, those cop cars would have been swerving to hit the protesters.

      The cops would later say that the protesters stepped in front of their car, and would get no punishment.

      • eurostile@lemmy.zip
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        18 days ago

        Don’t worry, French cops did it at least one time during the high schoolers protests we had the last few days/weeks. We are witnessing a very violent response from the police here in France (nothing close to what ICE is doing in the USA…yet)

    • Imaginary_Stand4909@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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      18 days ago

      Oh I mean, If you wanna go back to BLM where Americans set fire and destroyed several businesses sure. People act like Americans have never destroyed property, the problem is that it wasn’t properly coordinated and people were burning down random fucking businesses rather than actual places that deserve it. All it lead to was food deserts and small businesses shuttering.

      Never mind the fact that we could and would absolutely get shot for rolling up on a cop car like this but, sure man. I do love getting my daily reminder from non-US people that I should go outside and get myself killed today.

        • Imaginary_Stand4909@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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          18 days ago

          No, not really, and I mean that genuinely.

          There are too many people on here that say shit like “You should firebomb a Walmart” and mean it with their whole heart. We already had that with the Kimberly-Clarke warehouse and we got diaper shortages. Firebombing a Walmart only hurts the locals in the area who won’t get food.

          Even with bombing a police station, pray that locals actually care about each other and can respond to emergencies appropriately. I absolutely think police need reform but I’m not gonna sit here and go “I don’t need to call the cops if someone breaks into my house”

          Firebombing a billionaires house? Absolutely, it hurts no one else but them (pray that no house workers are in there). Fireboming cop cars when they’re attacking protesters? Sure.

          But people are fucking stupid. Luigi shot did nothing to that CEO and that’s great and all, but it didn’t change anything. Now we got a chucklefuck who shot a random pharmacist because “Big Pharma Bad.”

          I just think that too many people on here are encouraging senless violence rather than actual, planned, and carefully considerated operations. And i do not want to see innocents get caught up in brash, half-baked bouts of insanity because a person thought they were “helping.”

          • FlyingCircus@lemmy.world
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            18 days ago

            Americans prioritize the flow of treats over any action that might hurt the oligarchy. Even if a warehouse was burned down by an organized revolutionary militia that was actively trying to bring about change, y’all would complain that you can’t get your 10-ply toilet paper.

          • ramenshaman@lemmy.world
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            18 days ago

            You should firebomb a Walmart

            I spend a lot of time on Lemmy and I haven’t seen a single person say that.

            If I ever firebomb anything it will be a data center.

            In Minecraft.

          • Nalivai@lemmy.world
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            18 days ago

            I absolutely think police need reform but I’m not gonna sit here and go “I don’t need to call the cops if someone breaks into my house”

            There are entire communities, districts, and sometimes towns, where police on average poses bigger threat than any criminal ever would. Home invasion scenarios almost never happen, and on a rare occasion they do you can at least fight back. Meanwhile, police routinely enters homes, shoots nondiscriminatory, and if destroy people’s lives for nothing, and you can’t even do shit about it.
            And that’s before we talk about when police actually tries to do their job, the fuck they gonna do with your twenty scallywags entering your abode, outline your dead body?

    • dreamkeeper@lemmy.world
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      17 days ago

      If they did we’d lose the election in a heartbeat. You keyboard warriors who sit at home and do nothing but whine and criticize are the fucking worst.

  • Arachnidbrilliant@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    17 days ago

    I used to look up to France for their ability to come together and rebel again against the unjust.

    Can someone tell me what they’re doing over there?

    • BilSabab@lemmy.world
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      17 days ago

      a combination of external factors beyond the governmental control, the aftermath of short-sighted energy policies, the aftermath of even shorter-sighted deprioritization of public education, cost of living crisis on top of that and heavily biased fiscal policies on top of that and some good old government corruption as cherry on top.

        • Prior_Industry@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          17 days ago

          Criminal gangs do tend to take advantage of these situations and use it as cover. Same thing happened during the London riots.

        • mursejoy@lemmy.zip
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          17 days ago

          This is always a disingenuous argument against protesting. There will always be opportunistic criminals that take advantage of these situations. It’s doesn’t take away the fact that protest and a national strike are the only actual power people have against the ruling class.

          I’m not worried about Walmart losing money on looted TVs when cooperations are part of the problem and are run by the ruling class. If it’s a small business, hope your shits insured.

          • fenrasulfr@lemmy.world
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            17 days ago

            The only problem that most often it is the smaller stores that get looted because they can not afford the security measures of the large coorporations.

            • FurryMemesAccount@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              16 days ago

              I don’t know, didn’t you read how I said you look like the expert here? You really sound like you yourself have attended so many of them you really have a thoroughly knowledgeable grasp on all the subtleties of the subject

        • TrackenDaKracken@lemmy.world
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          17 days ago

          Ah, yes. I remember y’all in the comments of the George Floyd protest live-streams.

          Maybe some of them are enjoying it, but it’s not a daily occurrence outside of protests, and it the protest is legitimate. Their enjoyment is not the reason for wrecking shit.

        • tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          17 days ago

          Good for them, wouldn’t you have fun fighting back? We are ruled by wealthy vampires, I would rather die fighting them than help prop up this global system of genocide, endlessly exploiting every working person. There wouldn’t be wrecking if there was a real dialogue between people and the rulers. The protests never start like this. They get together and ask for what they want, then the police started beating the fuck out of them.

          I just watched a clip, I’ve seen it in person before though more than once, where someone was just standing there alone doing nothing as the police groups ran by. Around a dozen cops threw him to the ground, stomped on him, beat him with sticks and he died. They want to kill us. So whatever fighting back they feel is necessary is what should be done. What are you doing to save people’s lives?

      • Arachnidbrilliant@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        17 days ago

        I’m not saying that it’s not happening. But from my comfortable viewing point it looks like Senseless violence. But my entire country looks like that from the right point of view