Vindictive delivery drivers like this are yet another reason why I only make my own food.
Also, you know, I won’t spend 300 quid on 1 meal.
I mean maybe if you tipped us we wouldn’t have to be so vindictive 🤷
Yeah and then it becomes omg that was only 10%. Fuck that, I would rather not participate at all.
Fuck that, I would rather not participate at all.
Like this is literally what I wanted when I worked in pizza delivery for seven years, literally just do pickup if you can’t afford to tip. And tbh I don’t order delivery anymore for that exact reason.
Then you get more crying about how much the hospitality sector is struggling - this is where we are currently where I live.
Funny thing is, wetherspoons are doing fine. Only once ever seen someone give a tip there and it was borderline sexual harassment.
I mean okay, but don’t point your frustration at the proletarians who rely on your tips to survive. Like yeah tipping culture is bullshit, but it’s not imposed by your servers and delivery drivers; it’s imposed by capitalists and their demonic governments. We’d rather just get a living wage right out the gate, but that’s literally not an option.
Then you get more crying about how much the hospitality sector is struggling
Not our fault. Not your fault either. It’s the fault of the capitalists who are ruining our world and pitting us against each other.
I stopped eating outside years ago cause it’s all shit.
Having said that -
don’t point your frustration at the proletarians
So why are you doing exactly that? Tip is meant as extra on a job done well behind expectations. Are you not aware of it?
The fact that is composes most of your wages is not the fault of the Patreons coming to the establishment who are also required to pay ridiculously high prices on low quality food, and then also tip for the right to do so.
Not all people going to eat out have deep pockets, and trying to squeeze money because you feel entitled to it will only create antigonisem.
Take the fight against your employers and who ever owns them, instead of your fellow working class. The rest of us will probably be happy to join you and help you fight the good fight.
Otherwise, you are just helping the problem become entrenched deeper.
One last thing, what’s so special about the driver, waiter and bartender that puts them in the tip-getting status? What about the cooks, busboys, cleaning, host/hostess etcetc
If the owner cannot pull in customers using the real price, which covers livable and decent and fair wages for all staff, they should not be in business, period.
Also, you know, I won’t spend 300 quid on 1 meal.
Parties tho
Did I stutter?
That’s not how tips work
The algorithm demands the enragement bait.
Brutal hehe…
And he knew it was his car because…
As someone who actually makes the food I think drivers shouln’t get tips but instead should be paid more. They should also have full vehicle maintenance covered while driving for work too. The whole delivery service thing is a grift that is eroding the resturaunt industry hard. If it was to for VC money it wouldn’t even be feasable. Things will need to change soon
Tipping culture is bullshit anyway. If you run a business where you can’t afford to pay your employees enough without going out of business, then your business shouldn’t exist.
They can afford it. But the make more when they completely shaft both the customer and the driver.
This is untrue. Margins for restaurants are razor-thin. They could only raise wages and eliminate the need for tips by raising prices, but then people wouldn’t eat there because everywhere else looks cheaper. Because customers are dumb and don’t think about how much tips cost, just what the menu price says.
If the restaurant doesn’t serve the same food as their neighbor, why would they lose money to them? And if the restaurant DOES serve the same food as their neighbour, they are fucking stupid.
A common example though: A McDonalds Big Mac costs costs about $5.99 in , in Denmark it costs about $7. But in Denmark the worker is paid a minimum of $21. On top of that, they get paid maternity/paternity leave. The worker pays 2% of their pay into their pension fund, while the restaurant pays 11%. They get paid sickleave, they get 6 weeks of fully paid vacation per year. I could go on and on about workers rights that cost a lot of money for a business, but that somehow doesn’t mean they have to raise prices.
If that’s possible for pretty much the same price of a burger, then the margins aren’t really as thin as you’ve been led to believe, but they make a hell of a lot more money by making you believe their lies.
This is untrue. Margins for restaurants
We aren’t talking about restaurants. We are talking about delivery services.
Tipping culture is bullshit. But if somebody doesn’t want to participate in tipping culture, they should refuse to patronize businesses that do participate in it. Somebody who stiffs people that depend on tips to make a living isn’t doing anything except being an asshole
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Yeah… Maybe not the flirting part. Otherwise agreed.
You’ve got an interesting idea of flirting lol
“Hey baby, here’s some cash. More where that came from ;)”
That’s kind of how dates work
You find what you look for
Bringing kids into a world while this is the backdrop of one’s life seems almost heartless.
Instead of this moronic “voluntary” expectation, let’s all save thousands of hours of arguments, posts, and complaints from everyone involved and add 20% to the bill for the worker done and done.
Sometimes you don’t want to tip? No shit. I don’t want to tip. I don’t even want to pay. But I do it.
Let’s all do what we want, good idea, everything is free and nobody works and we can just run through the woods and frolic which sounds like a good idea until you get hungry
Whenever I see Americans talking about tips, I imagine them like just another tax they have and not add to the price before the customer pays.
You just don’t understand the freedom
The problem is the delivery companies are abusing the definition of “tip” and how they pay their drivers. I used to drive deliveries for DoorDash and they typically only pay $1.50-2.50 per delivery, despite charging $6-8 for a delivery fee, on top of prices typically being 30% higher than the menu in the restaurant. As a driver, the rule of thumb is typically that you shouldn’t take a job paying less than $1/mile. So the rest of the money for the driver comes from the “tip”. A tip is supposed to be a bonus reward for good service, but the reality of the situation on these delivery services is that it’s just the rest of the delivery fee to the driver. The delivery companies know if they list it as an actual delivery fee they’ll lose customers because some customers will feel like the fees become too excessive. So instead they exploit inexperienced drivers into taking orders thinking they’ll get a tip later, but often end up with nothing. And customers who think the tip is actually a tip according to the original definition and voluntary often end up with bad service because experienced drivers will pass on the deliveries, meaning they sit and sit, with food getting cold while the delivery service eventually starts offering to increase the pay in 25¢ increments after a certain number of rejections. Sometimes orders will sit for a couple hours before someone will finally take the order. This is still bad for the drivers, because the customers will often leave them a bad review, blaming the driver for the order taking so long to arrive. The driver doesn’t know what part is “tip” until the delivery is complete.
The reviews are another bad system. Historically people think of a 5-star rating system goes from 1 star being terrible, two being below average, three being average, four being above average, and five being excellent. However, rating systems often rank anything below five stars as bad. So people will leave a four star review thinking that’s good but as far as the company is concerned is bad. IIRC DoorDash drops any driver with a rating below 4.7. And we see this problem a lot of places online: product reviews on shops, online business reviews, even hotels where 3 stars was traditionally decent now see that as bad.
No no no, see here we add 7 dollars for “delivery” and as you would correctly assume, that goes directly to the CEO’s 4th yacht.
Then we shame the customer into dropping another 15 or 20%.
I’ve recently just stopped tipping for any company that puts a fake delivery fee in their subtotal (or outright stop ordering from them when possible).
I worked for a place that did this, i.e. added a delivery surcharge which the house kept. I discovered that this is, in fact, illegal in my state unless it is disclosed in writing. Which it wasn’t.
When we had a new point of sale system installed, as our restaurant’s resident tech person I naturally adjusted the such that were were in compliance with the law and delivery surcharges were pooled with the employees’ tips.
The owner never noticed.
Imagine being single and actively casually dating and having this just run in your head for the rest of your life. Never knowing if someone is going to show up to your door and introduce you as the parent. I think part of the terrorism is that it’d affect everything, and be especially hainious if you want to be a parent. Youd have to tell future potential long term partners that there may be a child out there. I think might be one of the most long term cognitohazard pranks I’ve seen
I don’t think the recipient in this case is sexually active. It seems not even just the tip…
- 1% probability: someone is pregnant and just never told me.
- 99% probability: someone is playing a prank on me.
And that 1% will eat you alive. Fuck Uber Eats for how they pay their drivers, but fuck that guy. Ordering $300 of food and not even kicking a few bucks to the person delivering it, knowing full well that Uber pays their drivers like shit, is a trash move.
This is so weird to read as a European… Tips here are almost frowned upon
In Germany it’s pretty common to tip a bit, even if not nearly as much as in the US. I wouldn’t know what to tip for a 300€ order though because… What the fuck, did they order cocaine?
The fun thing is that we’d be expected to pay between 15 and 20 percent on such an order.
Tipping in percent. Seems almost too metric. How many quarters to the foot gallon is that?
In America they tip in perpenny
Fuck if I know. 5€?
300 is a round number already though. So no tip? 298.56 I could see rounding to 300 though.
0.5% - you might as well not bother as it’s almost more of an insult than not tipping at all.
Its more about going to a round number so no bothering with change.
I would try $5, they might not understand our currency
No fuck them I say. They cannot even be bothered to tip in € when they come here. If I ever visit their godforsaken land again I will tip them in € out of spite
Pick one of the old currencies that is no longer in circulation. Leave them 2000 Italian lira.
I’ll jus use slovenian tolar. We still have thousands of those lying someshere
In many cases, yes. But when it comes to delivery services like this that has a history of underpaying and bad working conditions it just makes sense to tip IMO, and absolutely do it in hand and not via the app or whatever. I very rarely order food, and when I do I always try to stay clear of these kinds of delivery services. But it’s often hard to so, and when there’s no other option I always choose something that has a deal and then give the difference to what it would have been directly to the delivery person (not sure what the right word here is).
About a month ago I was at my moms place with my half brother and the local delivery app, foodora, had a 40% deal for any order from our favourite pizzeria so that was an obvious choice, when I gave the 40% of the total to the delivery person they almost started crying and that just felt so damn good. It absolutely sucks that this situation even happened, they should be paid more and have way better working conditions etc. but we all do what little we can with the reality we’re in. I made some actual difference for someone and I’ll take that.You made it worse. Now instead of asking for a raise or changing a job he would hope for another client to gift him money.
I hear this a lot, but it doesn’t seem true anymore. Every country I go to in Europe, tipping culture is creeping in and more expected in small amounts.
It seems that the driver doesn’t need to know the value of the box they are delivering. They should expect the same tip from a $3 box and a $300.
$300 of food is probably multiple bags. They can guess the cost if the average Uber Eats order is $30.
More bags, higher delivery fee makes sense. But it doesn’t matter if it’s 2lb of ramen or 2lb of lobster.
I thought for uber eats the “tip” was a bribe or bounty you have to add to your order ahead of time to ensure it even gets picked up?
They don’t know the tip until after the delivery. I’ve had a driver be like “they’re making me wait to pick this up, please add a tip for extra time” (yeah ok buddy) I had already put a large tip on the delivery. I really wanted to remove it after the driver pulled that shit though.
Now there’s a pay ~$5 extra option to have your order delivered first. I doubt that goes to the driver. I tip pretty well when I do order but I’ve been getting barely warm food for awhile. Once I did tip less and just pay the $5 fee to get my food faster. Just more enshittifaction.
Now with extortion!
Enormous $300 Uber order… So like two numbers 1s from Chick fillet?
Chick fila is somehow cheaper than mcdonalds for me.
Oooof. Don’t hit that hard please.
The customer paid for delivery already; it’s not the guy’s fault Uber Eats doesn’t pay you enough
And the service fee, and the priority fee so it’s not cold, and the mark-up on the food
“Your driver is delivering another order first”
Sure ask me again for that tip, APP. Do it. I dare you.
C’mon guys it’s the soulless corporation exploiting the poor that we need to be mad at
I’d say that’s chaotic rather than neutral.
Yes! Who cares about tips; get your alignments right, you cretin.
needs to get exploited to cover bills
let’s have a baby :D
while I am moderately humored by the initial gesture, you and your partner are idiots, CJ
Not everyone who does it is doing it to survive. My coworker just does it when he’s bored and his wife and kid are gone.
