In Italy, at “L’Isola della Pizza” in Rome, I asked the guy if I could get a pizza with salami, pepperoni, and sausage, and the guy was like “ah, American style!”
Did they mention that milk comes from cows and not oats?
You can milk anything with nipples.
“I Have Nipples Greg, Could You Milk Me?”
“I will if you let me”
-The director’s cut.
(Delete) I was beaten to it.
I have nipples, Greg. Could you milk me?
I have nipples Greg, can you milk me?
Yes, it’s a whole thing. I have many videos related to that, let me show you.
You can indeed create milk without requiring a cow.
True enough. But not from an oat.
Also from oat.
juice from oat. milk from titties.
That’s probably the most polite barista in Paris. I’d have expected a tirade, complete with arm waving and rude gestures.
Guillotine!
Right? This could have been an open declaration of war. Dude should have known better.
They also seem to operate under the misunderstanding that the French can make coffee. Here in Italy we know that to be false.
Half the French I know have a Bialetti stove top coffee machine. Sure, the french typically buy ground beans and they tend to prefer a dark roast. But they still use Italian technology.
Pwffft Italy know about coffee?
Signed, A Brazilian
You certainly make a lot of the coffee but all the technology for brewing it comes from Italy. Anyway, there is lots of credit to spread around. It’s just that the French don’t get any of it.
Signed, Not an Italian
That’s true, and you should know I do coffee drip. So I’m not into that tech, which means I’m doubling down
Honestly not trolling today
To be fair, most of the dishes people like from France are imported by some king or another. Traditional French food kinda sucks, unless you really like stew.
I think this is why I’m hesitant to travel there, i can’t handle snobs.
The Fr*nch hate Parisians too.
They aren’t real snobs because they don’t look down on you, it is in most cases not about you personally. They just think their culture is superior which sounds very arrogant but below that is just plain old narcasism. Also historically they’re are from ‘the cultured part of europe’ and had to deal with the basic lowlife from England (have you eaten their food?), the Dutch (have you seen their clothes?) and the Germans (have you seen what their homes). It’s like how the Romans looked at the Germanic tribes they just like superficial stuff like pretty food on pretty tables wearing pretty dresses. There are plenty of places people will treat you much worse and above all this is just a stereotype which is true on the one hand but there are a lot of different people living in France just like in any other country. Also they have crêpes.
Ah crêpes, the cheap version of Blinis. /j
Sure they don’t look down on you, they just think they are superior…
Get the fuck outa here
It’s hard to describe but it’s not snobbery. The French are just themselves and I honestly love them for it. I’d heartily recommend a visit.
I was there one time for work and decided I’d have a steak. Well I know they cook steak rarer than elsewhere so hoping for medium I ordered well done.
Terrible mistake. I got what was basically a lump of raw meat that should have had “get fucked” stamped on it and I felt like I brought it on myself.
I love France they take food and tradition seriously while at the same time their own government is afraid off them.
All governments should be afraid of their people. The French ae doing something right.
If I were a government, I’d be afraid of French traditions, too.
Every morning: A double-shot espresso with a small’ish blob of sweetened condensed milk, a few drops of vanilla extract and a teaspoon of brown sugar.
Heaven.
Is this ice coffee or are you trying to break your mug?
It was for a few seconds. Mug is fine. :)
Good to hear. It is good looking. You should be careful though. A few second can be enough.
I’m not going to shame anyones coffee choices but hard no from me.
Fair. But it’s what I like!
Why is it in snow? Too hot for you?
Thought it would make for a cool pic. Was still plenty hot!
I’m just teasing you. :)
BTW, love the mug, I used to live near Seattle. :)
Thanks! Yeah, that pic was taken just a bit outside of White Center in West Seattle area.
How do you keep your condensed milk from hardening between servings?
In my area they come in tin cans, so there’s too much to use it all up before it starts to thicken
I’d try cellophane with a rubber band on top of the can, stored in the fridge, take it out an hour before you want to use it, but that’s need some refinement
Could you portion and freeze it? Is an ice cube’s worth too much? This sounds amazing and I want to do it ♥️
Can you get it in the metal toothpaste tubes?
Never heard of that before, is that a thing in your area?
I refrigerate it. I use so little that it barely cools the coffee when I put it in. It’s really no different than creamer. It’s just thicker. So it makes the brew creamier.
A new challenger to the Pizza Hawaii has entered the chat.
oats aren’t mamals, can’t see how he could possibly get milk from it.
Same for almonds and everything else.
I also don’t order cow juice.“almond juice” has been called “almond milk” in the french language since middle age. That’s not the issue here. The guy probably order something that was not on the carte. That’s it. There is coffee shop than specialise in fancy and complicated coffee based beuvrage. In a regular café, you should check the menu before asking for your favorite drink for a shop at home.
Yes, I don’t see how you can be indignated about something so trivial you need to make a post about it.
How do you not have oat milk though, it’s the easiest dairy replacement for coffee.
No it is not. It is to you and your context. When it comes to plant-based milk, anything other than soja and almond is considered very exotic in France, most of people have never tried it. French people have coffee black or with cow milk. Lactose-free cow milk is part of everyday life and most of people don’t have milk in their coffee if they don’t want cow milk. As for latte, it is not a everyday drink but a treat and in many place people will not understand you are ordering a latté (litt: of milk) if you don’t even plan of having milk.
I see. I’ve heard that oat milk is so easy to make that I thought it must have spread everywhere.
I’ve made some at home and it is by far my favorite type of plant-based milk but it is definitively an exotic beverage to the average Frenchman who anyway only eats oat in muesli.
The word ‘milk’ in the English language has been used to describe plant-based milks for at least 800 years. Soy milk and Almond milk as beverages have been around for at least 1000 years.
You’re ahistorical proscriptive definition is just bullshit gatekeeping. You are wrong and should feel bad about yourself over it.
an opaque white fluid rich in fat and protein, secreted by female mammals for the nourishment of their young.
bullshit gatekeeping. You are wrong and should feel bad about yourself over it.
Jeez man how can you be so triggered and fanatic about something?
Touch some grassProscriptive definitions aren’t how language works, and never have been.
I like that wordds have meaning. Whatever it is, milk or juice, it shouldn’t get you to react like that.
Words do have meaning. And the meaning of the word “milk” has included plant milk for at least 800 years.
I don’t like when people with 0 understanding of the context or history of something act indignant about something they are so clearly and demonstrably wrong about.
You can not like it, IDC but have some manners
Don’t get all condescending about something you’re clueless on if you don’t like being called out on it.
By sibling in satan, you are the one who posted an unnecessarily contrarian comment as a top-level reply in this thread and then getting all bent outta shape upon being corrected.
A word has multiple definitions.
In English (or French), milk can also describe a while liquid. There are six definitions for milk on Wiktionnary, and here is the second one:
(uncountable, by extension) A white (or whitish) liquid obtained from a vegetable source such as almonds, coconuts, oats, rice, or soy beans
There is also something called cement milk
A watery film of a dull white or gray color often appears on the surface. This white matter is the so-called cement milk.
I was walking under a decrepit elevated expressway and there were signs saying to be careful about cement milk dripping from the ceiling. I don’t think there’s any mammal involved in producing that type of milk.
Yes you make a good point.
Cement milk is not a food liquid, words are made up all the time and they already have the word juice.
They should find a new one.I am glad that Wiktionary had this: Following a European Union (EU) court ruling in 2017, the term milk cannot legally be used to market purely plant-based products
Lol what an original joke.
Why do you think milk can only come from mammals?
That’s the definition of milk, so yes
It’s a definition, but hardly the only one.
I was on vacation in Flavigny, an incredibly beautiful small village wanted green beans without the butter, asked to simply use olive oil. The waiter was completely unsympathetic, simply asked me “why!?”. It took me a minute to convince him and I think I has to pay extra. :)
Honestly, there is a bit of a pride fight in France between the butter cuisines at the North of the Loire river and the olive cuisines at the South of the Loire. So it might not be that much against the idea of make the dish vegan.
Still that useless, stupid pride. I cook burgeondy dishes with olive oil whenever I feel like it and it is still very good. Not quite the same taste but delicious nevertheless.
That’s interesting information, thanks!
Your welcome (^_^)
Have you had a chance to try one of their anices?Yeah, they’re great. I love Burgundy.
But it’s a long trip from western Germany, that’s why I don’t go as often as I’d like to.
Why would you eat beans without butter? Are you barbarian?
i like plain unseasoned green beans, fight me
Straight out of the pot, right! 🙌
I don’t think in barbarian, no. But butter is scary!
WTF is this lunacy? I guess you are a barbarian!
I assure you I am not
il veut qu’on fasse de l’agriculture, c’est ridicule
I love France and all, but let’s not pretend they have good coffee culture. What passes for cappuccino there… The horrors I’ve seen.
There is plenty of good coffee in Paris, but you need to go to typically smaller places where they only make that.
Although I don’t drink milk much anymore I wouldn’t know if the cappuccino they make is good.
It’s crazy, food is top notch, or what you pay for it, but coffee is always the french 3/4. So not very good.
To be fair, they invented it and the Italians refined the espresso in 1961 so.
Part of why it’s relatively bad is because they still make it the same way as they did back then
Sure, but the “third wave” coffee is even worse IMO.
Is that foamy lattes w syrup?
Nah, the “hipster espresso” I’d call it. Usually tastes sour, "but that’s normal, not everyone can appreciate all the ‘flavours’ "
Ah, I am guilty of liking that. But I do think it is a very different taste than regular dark roasted chocolaty coffee and they should suprise you with a funky light-roasted one as their standard bean. Those are more suited for specialty places where they have multiple grinders with multiple beans.
Sure no problemo ! But why can’t they have an espresso that at least is somewhat like a real Italian one …
Coffee lovers and cappuccino are mutually exclusive terms IMHO :D.
Italy entered the chat…
Well, if it’s before 11AM at least
I love the french, I really do.
Just back from pints with a French lad. Just the two of us. Fucking love the French. Absolutely superb folks.
If they don’t have oat milk, what should’ve they said?
Food snobs might be one of my least favorite types of humans there are. The minute I hear/see someone start talking about how they would never eat that or whatever other bullshit, is almost like I’m hearing them start talking about the good things Trump is doing for everyone. Let’s never cross paths again, you’re insufferable.
Either that, or oat milk isn’t on the menu and he didn’t have any.
I’m also referring to this thread.
Then that is a failure on the business. It is a very common request.
Seems like more a failure of you for not checking if they do oat milk. And they likely do lots of other types of vegan milk as alternatives
Honestly, the kind of person who gets pissy about this kind of thing, you’re probably better off not having in your restaurant or cafe anyway. Because they’ve probably got a list of food requirements
I have a friend with actual gluten intolerance, and she stopped telling restaurants about it specifically because otherwise they’d freak out. She’d just order things like minimal gluten and only ask if she wasn’t sure.
But she’d never ask for substitutions either
There is no way of knowing how busy this place is. They might be completely full and serving 10 different types of milk might simply slow things down and increase their risk if they accidentally mix the containers
It’s only a failure if they wanted to do that kind of business. If I open an Italian restaurant and someone orders Thai, did I fail?
“Do you have eggs? Yes. Do you have noodles? Yes. Do you have curry paste? Yes. Do you…”
~ worst customer you will ever meet
There is a difference between a restaurant of a specific cusine and plainly deniying acommodating for common dietary preferences. Be it for health or ethical reasons. I guess in most cuisines worldwide there are either plenty of suitable dishes already available or they should be at least easy to accomodate. But sometimes it seems it’s even too much of an ask to leave out some simple ingredients.
“Deny accommodating for common dietary preference”, how? Have your coffee black, there, completely lactose-free. If you ask for a latte, don’t be surprised when you get milk. If you don’t want milk, don’t order a latte. Do you know what “latte” translates to?
Sure. There is a scale where my example was an extreme for illustration. Your point a very reasonable one as well. If I was running a a cafe I would offer it but I am Canadian. If I were french and you asked for a baguette olive loaf you would find yourself in a guillotine. Context matters and traditions matter more than commerce in many cultures.
It’s not common at all.
“At all”?
In the year 2024, Oatly had annual revenue of $823.67M with 5.15% growth. Oatly had revenue of $214.32M in the quarter ending December 31, 2024, with 4.99% growth.
Oatly’s key markets are Sweden, Germany and the United Kingdom. The company’s products were available in 60,000 retail stores and 32,200 coffee shops around the world as of 31 December 2020.
Do you really think that Sweden, Germany and UK is all the world there is? I’ve got a surprise for you.
Yes. About 2/3rd of the worldwide population is lactose-intolerant. Hence, it is really common to ask for lactose-free products.
In Europe, dairy intolerance is actually extremely rare. It’s Asia where intolerance is common
You can’t use worldwide stats to represent a localised region
I get the sneaking suspicion you enjoy being contrarian for contradictions sake.
In this thread, most of both the French and the vegans are insufferable. I like a nice strong black coffee and I don’t eat a lot of meat, but there’s a reason I don’t really want to go back to Paris or to half of the vegan restaurants I try.
I mean, it really depends on their delivery.
If they’re acting like it somehow un-stinks their shit, ok fuck off.
However, there are certain foods that everyone loves that I simply cannot stand. Cake, is a big one. I will actively seek against eating cake. It frequently leaves me feeling gross, especially on an empty stomach. I do not see it as good. I can understand someone speaking about food like that.
This never happened. They would have given him a cup of black coffee and said " bro you’re in France now"
So I guess, fuck lactose intolerant, amiright?
Paradox of tolerance: if we allow the lactose intolerant to exist amongst us, their intolerance will not tolerate our tolerationess. First they came for the milk, and I said nothing for I was not a cow…
Then they came for the guns and I said nothing because I’m not a pig…
I’d imagine most French people who are lactose intolerant just take their coffee without any kind of milk.
“If yeu cannot drink le milk, don’t order le cafe’ with le milk.”
but I’m le tired
well take a nap. Then don’t order the coffee with ze milk!
Fuckin kangaroos.
Not sure if that’s a thing in France, but alternatively to plant milk for lactose intolerant
- Lactose-free milk (there are versions with lactose removed instead of broken down, that aren’t sweet and taste basically the same as normal milk)
- Lactase enzyme taken together with the coffee, to break lactose down
I don’t really see plant milk as the lactose-intolerant variant, but a vegan option, but that might just be due to the fact Finland has lactose-free milk available as an option basically everywhere as milk is such an important part of the coffee culture.
I think if you’d rank all European countries according to how important milk is in their coffee culture, France might be at the bottom. Although I’m not sure about south-eastern countries regarding this, they might score low too.
Yep, I also think the French in general don’t really appreciate Finnish coffee culture, if their presidents reaction is anything to go by. Still one of my favourite pictures.
Nice, was this in Finland?
Yep, I think it’s from Helsinki market square – and not sure if this needs to be said but not taken by me 😅
Yes.
