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Why are HOAs so obsessed with “consistency”?
It’s a euphemism for “control”.
Well and sometimes control is good, right? Like if it’s an apartment building where the units are owned by the tenants or condos or even row houses it helps to have an established self governed organization of some kind to keep ground rules for shared walls / roofs at the very least. And even in fully separate housing it can help if there are shared community areas like a clubhouse, pool, playground, etc. There are two main problems though:
First of all, self governance requires active participation of at least most but ideally all members. You run into that same problem with any kind of self governance and that’s how even very good things like unions can get a bad reputation. If you don’t actively participate in union discussions they can easily be corrupted and wind up as an even more insidious control tactic by the employer.
The second problem is specific to the history of HOAs in the United States. The concept itself was fundamentally started as a way to discourage racially integrated residential areas, then extended to discourage other types of minorities. Yes you see HOAs focusing on petty things like door color but more importantly you’ll see them pushing other, more insidious restrictions. When you place restrictions on outdoor decorations you’re often restricting specific religious and cultural traditions. If you’re only allowed to put up lights within a certain window surrounding Christmas, you’re pressuring people to not observe holidays with light displays that occur at other times of the year. When you restrict the amount of unmarried adults in a house you’re pushing out poor people who need roommates and and cultures that live generationally, as well as homosexuals in areas where they’re not allowed to get married / claim marital privileges.
So while there are some practical benefits, the history of the HOAs requires highly active and intentional participation from everyone involved to overcome the dark history of the concept and there are very few situations in which that’s worth it, especially in a community where the houses are not physically connected.
Its another excuse to dull out fines
dole
To give out, especially in portions or shares; allot or distribute. Often used with out: synonym: distribute.
I keep forgetting to never interact on here. Thanks for reminding me.
probably for the best, it doesn’t seem to be working for you
Don’t be an ass
but I’m so good at it…
why you gotta take that away?
Find another passion
Byeee
“Ohh, why do I even bother?”
We’re not all pricks, just some of us (such as jjagaimo)
I appreciate it when someone lets me know that I’m doing something wrong and how I can do it right in the future in a concise and helpful way.
Why do you hate learning?
Dullard
A boring person, such as @[email protected]
Go after the argument, not the user.
Honestly fair
Oh no — education!
I conquer.
dull
Someone who responds with a correction and a definition like this.
It’s a safe way to live.
The same reason militaries are. Control. Except militaries actually have ressons to do it, other than power tripping people
I’ve got the feeling that the people who run insane HOAs have undiagnosed autism. Consistency, extreme rule following, and an exaggerated sense of justice are hallmarks of our kind. It’s just boomers who never will know that about themselves cause they aren’t “train city in the basement” flavored
That specific symptom is actually more consistent with something called obsessive compulsive personality disorder which has some overlap with OCD the anxiety disorder but usually presents with less bizarre obsession-compulsion links and usually less insight, because usually nothing they’re doing is overtly nonsensical. The maladaptive / disordered aspect is more that they’re allowing their obsession with rules to impact their relationship or even impose actively harmful restrictions on the people around them.
Or what, they’ll put a lien on your house? Bet this HOA isn’t doing all of the typical stuff HOAs are responsible for, but they have enough time and money to put together this letter.
King Sized bars, it is. HOA’s can kick rocks.
No one mentioned king size, you’d better do that instead just to be safe.
Photocopy the paper and and it out with full sized bars.
That is some seriously petty bullshit on the part of the HOA.
Get a fucking life.
Well, I guess that means I can still hand out out the little airplane bottles of whiskey to the kids.
Nothing in the letter stipulates HOW MANY little candies you can give each child.
If there are lots of kids, I suppose some families might have trouble affording big bars, and feel peer pressure, but I suppose they could use it as a teachable moment for their kids. Anyway, most kids are happy with small candy as long as they get something. Even the toothbrush house is worth the walk up to the door.
I grew up in a smaller town (6-800 pop), for whatever reason I was the only/youngest kid in my neighbourhood.
I always took my neighbourhood last, as they’d stuff me up when they were aware no one else would waddle by, the norm would be 15 cents and 3 euroes wasn’t uncommon in that area… If waddled by at 5 pm
I honestly can’t imagine how anyone can afford to give out big bars at all. Don’t they cost like $1 each? Are people spending $50 on Halloween candy for trick or treaters?
I think some people, maybe no kids of their own so they have a little money, remember what a big thrill it was for them as a child, and they just really enjoy being A Generous God one night a year. Seeing the faces light up. Maybe especially if they’re estranged from family so no gifts to buy. I live in a condo and the few kids in the building go elsewhere to trick-or-treat, so most people don’t do anything, but my neighbor down the hall puts out a bowl of regular -size (not giant but not mini) candy bars October 1st and keeps it filled the whole month! I just put out a bowl of little ones on the night.
Agreed with folks who support HOA. Various homes have various financial situations, and if trick-or-treating is widespread in any given neighborhood, offering larger treats can cost quite a lot. Even worse if it turns into a competition of who’s more “generous”, and it seems many commenters are about to do just that.
Halloween is a celebration for everyone, and it’s crucial to not make people feel miserable or anxious over it.
People are out here judging others based on what they give and you think someone else is the problem? Where does this end? Am I supposed to make sure my costume doesn’t make people feel bad? Do we need an approved list of decorations? Which holidays am I allowed to care a lot about?
We all know the houses that go all out for Halloween or Christmas or whatever. Are we supposed to lose that because the Halloween people don’t match the Christmas people?
Some people feel inadequate about being bald. The answer isn’t to give them a wig, it’s to change the perception of being bald.
I have a fantasy where i get rich and hand out 5 lb chocolate bars one year.
King size everything. There’s even a special golden candy bar that wins you a king size mattress!
Beat me to it by 13 mins.
Every child now gets 2 full sized candy bars and a bag of chips.
Fuck off busy body!
The whole concept of HOA is crazy for me
HOA seems a very bad idea. HOA in the US is terrifying.
Sadly, corporate buyout of homes into perma-rent hell is so much worse in how insidious it is.
You really just have to hope against hope that if you are stuck with a HOA, they’re already reasonable or can be wrangled into it.
Corporations are nigh untouchable, and that’s horrifying.
it sounds almost reasonable for those weird buildings where people “own” their unit or share walls
So most apartments in most countries in the world? Sure. Not sure why you have “own” in quotation marks, it’s quite normal outside of the US where you get “condos” with a ton of fees.
Usually every apartment owner gets an equal say in what happens e.g for planning and financing renovations, hallway cleaning (take turns on a weekly basis or hire a service or hire some retired person who lives in the building as a part-time job), etc.
It does indeed stop making sense when you’re not all living in a shared building. If I want my lawn slightly taller than everyone else, that’s my right.
because how can anyone consider it ownership if you do not have the right to destroy/modify it?
I guess, kinda, but the concept of “ownership” isn’t the divine right of kings. It’s an understanding of possession in relation to the rest of the world and other people. There are like zoning laws and shit like that for a reason, just because you buy a piece of land doesn’t mean you can develop it into whatever you want and put a chemical processing plant in a residential neighborhood.
Just because you bought an apartment and maintain exclusive ownership of it, it’s in the context of someone else owning the building, and someone/thing further owning the area that building is in. Ownership doesn’t give you any right to alter something in a way that affects the other peoples owned property or possessions.
Not that I’m advocating that it’s right or even a good thing, but essentially the “final boss” of ownership is the government because people can’t be trusted not to be petty dicks to each other
And for shared expenses in fancy neighborhoods like a maintained garden/sign entrance area with a gate. Or a neighborhood club house with a pool. The kinds of stuff apartment complexes have.
ATM, the HOA in my neighborhood is very very tolerable. The money (all $100 per year) goes towards maintaining landscaping and the signage. The only “restrictions” they have are no above ground pools (which I 100% agree with and they were rather powerless when someone actually installed one), and if you’re gonna put in a detached shed, at least try to make it a permanent structure instead of some cheapo plastic plastic thing from walmart or lowes.
JFC, only $100 per year? Is that right? That’s nothing.
Oh, I thought you meant each yard had landscaping like we do. Is it just common grounds, like the median, etc?
I can’t believe that I’m about to write this smh… In this exact case I’m actually with the HOA.
With the cost of living as it is, not all homes can necessarily afford the candy. So in order to not expose the less fortunate, and their kids, I don’t think it’s such an absurd proposal.
Maybe it’s not the HOA’s job to bring it up, but bitching about the letter just shows your privilege.
Disagree. There’s no rule that says you have to give out candy at all. What this really does is it forces all kids to lose the chance to get the full size candy bars. This is effectively like telling a billionaire that it’s not fair to the middle class to accept the billionaire volunteering more money to be taxed because it makes the middle class feel like they’re not contributing enough, so instead mandating a flat tax rate.
If you can’t keep up with the Joneses, then don’t. Nobody gives a shit. But don’t enshittify Halloween for everybody just because your feelings can’t handle your inability to compete at something that was never a competition in the first place.
This is about kids being happy not about your insecurities. If you can’t or won’t participate at whatever level then don’t. Why is this hard.
The pretext that the size of candy bar handed out at Halloween has any indication of class is utter bs.
Also, if that were the case the HOA should consider making candy available to homes that can’t afford it rather than asking those that can to cheap out. The fucks the point of communal fees otherwise?
