Basically just something people say that indicates a position indirectly, like how seperatists from a given region might always say they’re from [region] and not [country] or how trump supporters call AI “SI” now.
Saying “Foreigners” but only when talking about non-white people.
In germany words like “Alt-Parteien” (old partys), “Links-Grünversifft” (left-green drenched) and “System-<insert_adjective_or_noun>” get exclusively used by far-right people. Or the classic “<x-nationality-adjectiv> Volk” like “deutsches Volk” is classic nazi talk to avoid using “arryian” and still refer to ethnicity/culture threw the racial theory lense.
Using the German Empire flag or any variation of it (black white red) is a big give away. Or sadly over using the german democratic flag (black-red-gold). But there are efforts to reclaim the democratic flag by democratic forces.
Thorsteiner clothing brand is a very good give away and anything related to prussia, iron cross in any shape or form (unless it is on actual military vehicles obv!) Be it neckless, tattoo sticker or what ever and the gothic/germanic font.
Small note: versifft afaik has a strong connotation that drenched does not have, so the translation sounds to me almost neutral whereas it’s more like “filthy left-green-like” (or something — translations are hard!)
“I have an appointment with a gentleman” is prostitute for “I’m going to shag a dude for money”
The narwhal bacons at midnight.
I actually was around a guy who said this IRL at a party one time in 2011. I recognized it, but also internally cringed so hard that I pretended I didn’t recognize it. I’m sorry, Sean.
You’re a good friend.
Friends don’t let friends Reddit.
Something about Obama and shoelaces? I can’t remember.
I miss that. I genuinely do. Back when it felt like a community and things were fun. I know it’s never gonna happen again, it was great to see it, but I miss spontaneous community fun online.
As someone who used reddit during that time, lemmy something feels exactly like reddit back then. Small communities and mainly consisting of a bunch of nerds
I feel that Lemmy is much less fun. Maybe it’s the time period but it just feels more like people being depressed and arguing with each other than anything goofy
I agree, and I think it is all down to what is happening all around us and the state everyone is in
Holds up spork
And my axe.
The voters pamphlet was full of them. “Common sense family values” means they hate trans/gays. “Law and order” means they support ICE. “Activist judges have gone too far” means they want to be an activist judge but for the other side of the issue.
I would consider all of those Nazi dogwhistles nowadays. There is no courtesy left for the right, it is very clear what kinds of fucked up shit they support
“No courtesy left for the right” is now going into my back pocket for later. Love it.
Argued with someone that their use of “common sense” was a dog whistle… Sure enough, their next line was about the “family vote”…
This was in response to a Trans Rights comment chain. Like wtf is the “family vote”? Trans people have families too.
Family vote = man of the house votes and women don’t vote anymore. No, they don’t acknowledge anything other than the stereotypical husband, wife, and 2.5 children as deserving a vote.
Law & order = whatever orders they make up are the law of the moment.
“Common sense” annoys me from researching gun laws and solutions. It’s shorthand for, “If you don’t believe this way, you don’t have common sense.” I’ve made an effort to drop the term both online and IRL.
“I’m from Northern Virginia”
Sorry - it’s all I can think of after your example…
“If you know what I mean 😉” is probably the most common one.
No, Frank, exactly what is it that you feel uncomfortable saying but forces you to make everyone else think it?
I used to swear by ACME brand dog whistles. But since I’ve got into 3D printing, there’s so many options. They also cost little to nothing to print. I haven’t found a favourite one yet though, so if anyone has any suggestions, let me know.
I don’t have a suggestion, but do you have a recommendation?
I think the prequel trilogy is better than the original trilogy is just a dog whistle for not listening to someone talk about Star Wars.
I prefer the prequels 😔
I like a very specific cross section of Starwars. Lightsaber design, force powers, droids, mandalorian lore. That is the standard I judge by and that puts the cartoon, prequals, and Solo movie above the originals.
Many times, it has been a “those are the ones I watched first because I was a kid when they were released, and now I defend them over everything” in my circles.
Are those dog whistles? I think of dog whistles as conveying a specific message to those in the know.
The examples you gave seem more like shibboleths - something that can be used to identify or rule out being part of an identity group.
Calling taiwan “taiwan” instead of china marks the speaker as not from the PRC, but it doesn’t send a specific message the way that republicans would say “welfare cheats” when they meant “black people”, trusting their base understands.
Wouldn’t a dog whistle be a type of shibboleth?
Dog whistles convey a message to those in the know, but without outsiders being able to hear it. (Like how a dog can hear a dog whistle but humans can’t.) A shibboleth would convey that you’re a part of an identity group without outsiders being able yo tell the difference.
Though I suppose dog whistles could also be phrases instead of words. Idk, there’s at least some overlap.
Your comment made me curious so I looked it up, and it looks like they are, and they’re called Furtive shibboleths. The more you know!
That’s awesome!
Yeah you’re right I did mean shibboleths, just didn’t know the term, sorry, should I edit the post?
Yeah, as @[email protected] said, the meaning is clear.
It’s such a fun word and i think it’s such a neat concept, but it’s annoying to use in a title cause it’s quite a rare word. But i find that once there’s a name for it, it’s way easier to notice it, so i like to mention it.
Where i live we pronounce couch st and schuyler st as cooch and skyler, and the police dept is the police bureau. Not knowing these things is used as a shibboleth that marks visiters.
Perfect examples.
No, everyone else knew what you meant.
TIL the correct word for this, good comment.
Took me a minute to realise what “dog whistle” meant and it made me think about how on Ted Lasso, Roy just yells “whistle” as opposed to blowing one.
“Family values” can mean anything from hating gays, hating women who aren’t rushing to squeeze out kids, basically anything that goes against the productive/nuclear family, to them — to the rest of us it’s just that people should have a choice.
I don’t see a lot of Americans talking up their Second Amendment anymore? I guess because they all sat back and let fascists take over, they can’t really say their guns are defending them against tyranny. Funny how that played out.
I don’t see a lot of Americans talking up their Second Amendment anymore? I guess because they all sat back and let fascists take over, they can’t really say their guns are defending them against tyranny.
Oh no they definitely still do. They think that since their side is in power, they don’t need their armory right now, but those evil wokes are always trying to get them!
“I’m not saying [group of people] shouldn’t be allowed to exist! I support [group of people]! I’m just concerned about…”
I’ll contribute. I refer to my wife as my “partner”.
People on the left just continue conversation no problem. People on the right pause and you can see the wheels turning.
I’m a white not very masculine male.
Very good example, thank you, whenever someone says “partner” I immediately assume they’re at least somewhat woke.
They might just use the English language correctly.
Woke is in partners with grammar
Okay, but what if they also have some ridiculous 10 gallon hat on?
I’m from Texas, so it works both ways… Pardner hat tip 🤠
Okie here. “Pardner” is one thing. Put a hard “T” in it and it’s another.
English is so fucking weird. Then I read about various Chinese dialects and think, “How could anyone learn that?!” Same as I learned English I guess. :)
It’s not actually accurate to spell it “pardner”, it’s more of an emphasis on softening the “tee” sound because that’s how you’d say it with a southern accent.
🤦🏼♂️ Nobody, even in the South, calls their love interest, gay or otherwise, “pardner”. They enunciate parTner.
When they say “property” on the other hand…
The next level is referring to women as “devices”
Feeemales
Saying it like this is a dog whistle for Ferengi sympathizers
I mean, if there’s a safe word involved…
Oh yeah, you’re an NPR listening recycler who probably composts. Gonna just tag you right now. ;)
Dude municipal compost is fucking amazing.
Trash doesn’t smell anymore.
New account troll. Tagged, will not engage with further.
Gawd but he NAILED me. Listening to Wait Wait and rasing chickens. Which are, btw, fantastic for making compost.
They’re also good for making sure no food ever goes to waste. They eat anything and turn it into eggs. Gotta love yard birds.
RIGHT? It either goes to the dogs or the birds. It’s fantastic.
The first time a friend referred to me wife as my “partner”, I questioned his choice of words because he was well aware that I’m not gay.
Like, I would still just carry on in convo, but if I hear “partner”, I make a mental note that they’re gay. The correlation has close to a 100% hit rate.
This is a you issue
It’s really not an issue.
Sure, but we’ve already established that you lack self awareness, so…
It kind of is though.
You know what’s funny about that? A lot of my hetero friends also say partner.
I started using it because it removes the baggage that gendered terms carry. My wife is my best friend. I like to do everything with her. We split chores pretty evenly.
Whereas, especially since gay marriage has been legal here a lot of gay couples very intentionally use wife/husband because of how hard the fight for that was
One day the venn diagram will become a circle.
yeah we started using it because we were past dating, but not married. it seemed appropriate.
Yet another use case! Not sure I’ve heard it that way in my area, not much anyway. Even us old folks say “girlfriend”/“boyfriend” if unmarried.
A lot of my hetero friends also say partner…
…in my region of English speakers.
…in the USA. I have friends and family all over.
Hetero people who don’t believe in marriage and/or don’t like husband/wife titles sometimes use titles like partner too because girlfriend/boyfriend doesn’t sound serious enough I guess. Common amongst my social circle but I get why it’s usually a dog whistle.
“partner” sounds like you’re lawyers. just make up a word, or take one from another language. we use “sambo”.
We have a perfectly good word in the English language, it’s “partner”
“partner” sounds like you’re lawyers. just make up a word, or take one from another language. we use “sambo”.
We have a perfectly good word in the English language, it’s “partner”
It doesn’t work quite as well in English
…no, no it does not. wow.
Also literally everyone in Europe
Online, at least, I’ve probably heard more hetero people than gay people use “partner.” In some cases they were in fact perfectly conventionally full-blown married, they just weren’t interested in sharing any more details than they had to to tell whatever story they were telling, because that detail wasn’t important for the story.
That checks out. You’d use the term to be deliberately vague. Online, you’d be giving away your gender and marital status to the scraperbots. In person, a vague response lands differently. Particularly when speaking one-on-one.
Same. You’re getting downvoted because lemmy cannot allow for regional language distinctions. Not even different countries, regions. It’s a big world.
No one where I’m at would refer to a married couple as partners. Nothing wrong with that, but it usually connotes a gay relationship.
I promise you it’s not that. It’s the way that individual wrote their comment. Like it was offensive to be considered gay. Why does it matter?
And you keep trying to tie it to a region. I think the only “regional” distinction you can make is rural vs anywhere else. But that’s more population density related not regional. It’s not really a pop vs soda situation.
Maybe you and this other person should reconsider your assumptions about the usage of the word “partner” hahahaha.
I know many (myself included) who are in heterosexual relationships and say partner due to not being married. It’s a pretty common thing…
It’s a pretty common thing…
…in my region of English speakers.
Partner sounds more serious than boyfriend or girlfriend anyway.
What about Pardner? More or less serious?
“Partner” sounds like “spouse” to me, without the marriage ceremony.
Yes! Normalize this!
“No, don’t worry, Mr. Conservative. I’m male, she’s female, your norms aren’t being broken yet.”
“…Yeh, but partner implies she’s your equal. That don’t sit right.”EXACTLY 🙄
I do this. Someone called me out for pretending to be gay. Stolen valor!
I was just like. Sorry? I tried to be inclusive. Oh well, can’t win 'em all.
I’m sorry to hear that :( some people can’t be happy unless they’re angry at someone I guess.
Another white not very masculine male here - which I think is every bit as normal as being a woman who isn’t an insanely hot babe. It’s weird when things that are almost fringe become unattainable standards for a vast majority who really have no reason to feel inadequate.
The “white not very masculine male” piece was added to highlight that some people make assumptions about my sexuality when I use the word partner.
I’m plenty confident and happy with myself. I’m pretty fit, just not big.
I’m happy to give out hugs though! The marketing world is hell bent on making people feel inadequate so I understand your sentiment.
Reminds me of how someone posted that he likes to tell people that he’s not gay but his husband is. And then watch the reaction.
There’s no point in non-nazis using dog whistles when the right has made a cottage industry of convincing themselves that every innocuous phrase is a left-wing dog whistle anyway (e.g., “happy holidays”).
Jingle bells, homie. ✌️
Jingle Bells is a Thanksgiving song!
I started using “Happy Holidays” with more intent after all the fuss. I find it helps fragile shitheads give me some distance, while no one else blinks an eye.
I also like to wish people a “happy birthday harmless baby Jesus who is too young to threaten the rich”.
People’s reactions to that one can be enlightening.
“people like that”
“Urban people”
‘blacks’ versus 'black people/folk/whatever"
My parents used to (probably still do) call black people “the element”.
Like, “this was a safe neighborhood until the element moved in.”
“Those people” or “You people” really gets me
ITT people talking about Nazi dog whistles
I was voting and one of the people I looked up for judge had “EMPATHY” as a big point for her, considering a lot on the right have said empathy is bad/a weakness/the problem and judges are supposed to be nonpartisan I considered it to be a dog whistle. She also had a lot of good stuff in her background but having EMPATHY in big bold letters seemed purposeful
Something not one sole nazi had in the Nuremberg trials according to a journalist investigating evil, so yeah a good sign IMO.
