Whoa human hate anything that harming their livelihood, neighborhood , hood, what a novelty idea indeed.
Ok now do vaccines. The public isn’t very smart. Only 51% trust the childhood vaccine schedule
Ah, yes, data centers and vaccines, totally similar fucking things that can be easily compared
Sure they can. The fundamental similarity here is anti-intellectualism, a distrust in the notion that science and technology are positive things that can enhance our lives. America is rife with it these days and the result is all sorts of beliefs sweeping through society that stand in opposition to what the “experts” say. Vaccines cause autism. Pasteurization is bad. “Chemicals” or “GMOs” are bad. Transgenderism isn’t real. Data centers are responsible for vast quantities of water consumption. LLMs are incapable of creating anything original. And so on. Once these beliefs get rooted then any effort to dislodge them only becomes part of the narrative of untrustworthy oligarchs and technocrats trying to manipulate people, which is especially tricky because many of them are trying to manipulate people. Makes it hard to know which authorities to trust without learning enough to become one yourself, and learning is hard when you don’t know which information sources to start with.
Unfortunately I have no idea how to counter such a large-scale movement in society. As the old saying goes, you can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into. A lot of the anti-science sentiment comes from irrational sources - fear of the uncertain future, fear of losing prestige and power, fear of loss of personal autonomy. Some of those fears are rooted in real concerns but the reactions they can provoke are not necessarily productive.
There’s some truth to the fact that anti-intellectualism plays some part in the backlash to both vaccines and AI.
But there’s a difference: vaccines were pushed by medical science and governments around the world as a solution to a real problem (disease), with pretty much no side effects at societal scale.
Generative AI is being pushed by greedy companies (and governments that don’t want to lose this artificial “arms race”) as a solution to nobody’s problem, and with a lot of side effects (global warming, raising power bills, raising the cost of electronic devices, filling the internet with crap, making the internet less secure, lowering open source incentives, making it easier for bad actors to influence democracy, etc. I could go on).
I don’t dislike GenAI, and I think it can be a good technology when well implemented: narrow AI, or general AI with open training datasets and open weights that anyone (or at least a small company) can run locally. Instead we’re getting super general AI controlled by an oligopoly of companies that see you as the product, partnering with governments that want to surveil and control you.
It’s more than anti intellectualism though.
Many people are just sick of being forced into a society that only values productivity, gives nothing back to you for your efforts, and expects more time out of your week than you get with your family.
AI hasn’t solved any of that, it’s made all of it worse.
LLMs have accelerated people’s worst aspects.
Being anti-AI is pro-intelectualism pretty much by definition. Don’t farm your thinking out to a computer. Use your intellect.
Sure bro, the “thinking for yourself is too hard; just outsource it to this bot” group is surely the paragon of intellectualism.
RTL 2
I’m all over this multi-dimensional spectrum…
I think AI is terrible for society; at least how society is currently structured. I also think society is terrible for AI.
The reason AI sucks, and the reason we’re even calling this tier of ML “AI” to begin with, is because of global capitalism’s incentives. And the reasons “AI” is bad for society is because our society is globally capitalist. From jobs, to loneliness, to disinformation, to the environment, to education, to the lack of critical thinking,… Everything AI makes worse is already weakened by our societal systems, and they incentivize using AI to further degrade them in order to expand, control, and extract.
I love AI and the world, in theory. I hate AI and the world for how they exist right now.
Indeed. Capitaism is the cancer that destroys all the potential good in all things.
It’s hilarious that people think this same shit wouldn’t happen under any other socioeconomic system. Humans are greedy. THAT is the problem.
It is beyond capitalism now, it is corporatism turning into neo-feudalism. Some may argue that capitalism inevitably has to follow this path. I am not sure about that, but unregulated capitalism combined with large scale centralized representative democracy probably does.
“AI is going to kill us all”
“AI is so powerful, it will hack everything”
"Why don’t you like AI?
Well yeah it’s bad, look at the people pushing hardest for it and that tells you all you need to know.
Billionaires will use AI in every way they can to profit from you, whether it be taking your works to train it, serving you slop, trying to rope you in to paying monthly to support their multi-billion dollar boondoggle, or attacking and killing brown people, liberals, and other “undesirables.”
More garbage futurism ads getting glazed.
Is this just like, a thing on Lemmy? I thought this was the website for media literacy.
We’ll happily consume anything that hates on AI.
I guess but Futurism may as well be AI slop, though - and these articles keep popping up on my lemmy feed from tech - it’s wild.
Using llms to summarize and learn information can be really useful, but check sources, just like you should for other online tools, and at the library too. The same best practices apply to this and education is important for proper tool use, like with anything, understand how to use it right. Lots of morons use tools wrong and cause problems and fatalities, doesn’t mean the tool should be banned. Learn how to use tools right is an old lesson.
A majority of people have been convinced of many different things, many times, but that doesn’t make any of them true or good. Unchecked, open weight, charging to protect from itself and accelerationist ideas don’t sound good, and it should be used for good and peace, so don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater, another old one lol.
Oh, billionaires are bad for society. AI is their dream tool for controlling working class masses and getting even richer.
I think their sick fantasy is replacement theory, but instead of whatever the far right thinks that is, they will attempt to replace the human workers that generate income and taxes 1:1 with robots. So they will have an obedient army of slave, just like they always wanted.
They’re discovering that this iteration of robots are way more expensive than human beings. Even well-paid, well-benefitted human beings. Data centers burn through a lot of expensive microchips quickly, and that cost is passed downstream to compute costs.
The hyperscalers are way under-charging for tokens and are hemorrhaging money, even as they borrow more for the data center buildout.
(I anticipate this desperation is what is driving the shenanigans and foul play regarding permitting and environment maintenence issues driving districts to moratorium buildout in their area. athe finance sector is notorious for overplaying their valuation and then turning to crime when they’ve borrowed over their head.)
Maybe as a society, we’ll learn to treat financial fraud as severe as it is, instead of deciding it’s too complicated to govern.
I’d be totally cool with that, provided that they be required to provide a comfortable living for every citizen before taking their profits. If they want to use their profits for substantial UBI, and give us all a permanent vacation, I’m all for it.
But we all know that’s not how Sociopathic Oligarchs think.
I wouldn’t say AI itself is bad for society, but billionaires and this current AI gold rush is.
Ai isn’t inherently bad. It’s just bad to have it in a society where your ability to get food, housing, and medical care are inherently attached to you having a job, which AI is marketed as replacing. Also, all the art that was stolen.
Not enough
It’s because AI is bad for society.
Public opinion wasn’t on the power loom’s side either.
Tech that is genuinely useful is basically impossible to roll back. AI is here to stay no matter what the AI company bubble does.You know we’re talking about AI, not tech that’s genuinely useful, right, sparky?
AI is genuinely useful. You don’t have to trust me for it. Linus Torvalds uses it too.
Argument by authority. Who uses LLM’s for what has no bearing on whether their net causal impact of them is sufficiently good for society to justify their continued existence or not.
Slash and burn farming is great - for the farmer doing it. Robbery is great for the robber, fraud is great for the fraudster. I didn’t pick robbery or fraud as random examples either.
More like argument by results. Linus isn’t slash and burn farming. He’s using it to find pernicious bugs in a fraction of the time.
You misunderstood what I just said. The three things I used as examples have plenty of results - positive ones even - for the people doing them. It’s just that they have an even greater negative impact on everybody else. And exactly who is burning the trees they just cut down, robbing the bank or defrauding their marks has no bearing on that either way.
Fun thing about Capitalism though, dollars = votes. So those with all the dollars get to make all the decisions, and we poors are forced to live with them.
The divide is growing, too. If this continues, we will be crouched naked in a puddle of piss and broken glass, weeping and eating worms, while the rich fly high above us in their private jets. Their only interactions with the poor will be when they molest our children or harvest our organs.
Good news, I dont have kids and my organs will surely kill them more quickly.
just get bit by a rabid animal before donating, apparently you can give rabies through organ transplants.
Yes, this is a happy consequence of my having been assiduously toxifying myself with drugs for several decades. Woe unto the fucker who tries to take my organs. At this point, I imagine they’d poison a hungry dog, stone fuckin dead.
This might be the greatest thing I’ve ever read
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To be honest, I was initially in favour of the emergence of AI, but the more I use it, the more disillusioned I become. Rather than feeling like an intelligent system, it often seems rigid, lacking in genuine understanding and designed to serve the needs of only certain groups. At times, I even find it less reliable than a conventional search engine. Perhaps the real disappointment is not that AI has failed to meet every expectation, but that something presented as a remarkable leap forward can still feel so far removed from genuine intelligence.
It is less reliable than a conventional search engine. It’s lied to me before. It’s just quicker and easier than chasing down links and reading through stuff to get the info you need.
